From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Apr 30 00:58:53 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05319 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:58:52 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id BAA02873 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:07:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:07:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200104300607.BAA02873@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2190 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, April 30 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2190 In this digest: IN> Authority of judgement IN> Ineffability and Final Thoughts.... Re: IN> Naming the Kitten! IN> Note delivered to Dominic Re: IN> Note delivered to Dominic Re: IN> Authority of judgement Re: IN> Ineffability and Final Thoughts.... IN> The Pretty Novalis Funtime hour IN> Re: Tips for Judgement Re: IN> Naming the Kitten! Re: IN> Authority of judgement Re: IN> Note delivered to Dominic Re: IN> Note delivered to Dominic Re: IN> The Pretty Novalis Funtime hour Re: IN> Re: Tips for Judgement Re: IN> Re: Tips for Judgement Re: IN> Re: Tips for Judgement Re: IN> The Pretty Novalis Funtime hour Re: IN> Note delivered to Dominic IN> Note part 2: Some Characterization Occurs Re: IN> Note delivered to Dominic Re: IN> Note delivered to Dominic Re: IN> Mariel's old cathedral Re: IN> Note delivered to Dominic Re: IN> Note delivered to Dominic ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:40:51 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Authority of judgement I stick by my views. Dominic as elevated by God has the authority of the Pope But no one gives him views of infalliability. Nor do I think that any warhawk will EVER be so interrogated. - -Charlemagne Just my .02 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:49:40 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Ineffability and Final Thoughts.... Actually that's a very disturbing thought. The best way to cover up a secret society in Heaven is to have it for SOME mysterious reason completely ineffable because of God's plan. While I appreciate everyone's thoughts on this matter including the negative despite that even in In Nomine cannon there are conspiracies. 1:) Gabriel's destroy Belial Society 2:) Gabriel's Worship Society I know these don't count though because Gabriel has a live and let live work and so would Eli. The question however is why anyone would SUSPECT something like the Warhawks to exist. I mean it's in Heaven, one would suspect that such a thing would be found out and destroyed. Just a thought. Though moe raised a good point, the best archangel for a conspiracy is Dominic. Or Janus in which you can just say "Yes and Janus knows about it though so take it up with Him." It would interesting to add a dark side to him for any conspiracies you need done. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:49:59 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Naming the Kitten! - --On Sunday, April 29, 2001 21:24 -0500 Charles Glasgow wrote: >> I don't know. I'm rather enamored of the way the name shifts every >> time you look away, gives the whole thing a certain style. > > If anybody even *mentions* the word "Schrodinger"... > *I* didn't say it out lous, did I? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:52:06 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Note delivered to Dominic Dear Dominque Unless the Spear of Longinus, Michael's Ax, Laurence's Sword, and a Pikachu ethereal are delivered to my palace in Stygia within 24 hours I regret to inform you I will KILL THE KITTEN. Yes I've kidnapped your cat. I've even enclosed one of it's whiskers to make sure you know I'm serious. Wait your a seraph, no need :-) Adios. - -Valefor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:54:55 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Note delivered to Dominic Unless the Spear of Longinus, Michael's Ax, Laurence's Sword, and a Pikachu >ethereal are delivered to my palace in Stygia within 24 hours I regret to >inform you I will KILL THE KITTEN. Which will result in his ending up where? ... That's what I thought. Don't tell me Valefor's that dumb ... Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:01:42 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Authority of judgement - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Phipps" To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 9:40 PM Subject: IN> Authority of judgement > I stick by my views. > Dominic as elevated by God has the authority of the Pope No, Dominic as elevated by God has the authority of the Archangel of Judgement... something entirely differently. Just as surely as Laurence is Commander of the Host, Dominic is the leader of the Heavenly Inquisition. To deny the authority of either is to deny God. > But no one gives him views of infalliability. And some Archangels are on record as believing Dominic to be quite fallible. Yet his authority remains. Whether or not the chief of police is perfect, he is still the chief of police, and still retains his powers of arrest. And given that Dominic is also the judge, powers of sentence. Heaven is not a democracy. It isn't even a free society. It's an absolute monarchy currently being run by a council of regents due to the monarch having gone into seclusion... regents who have the authority to manage current events and set policy, but *not* to alter the Law. Furthermore, not even Dominic's bitterest enemy in Heaven can even remotely imagine him lying. And given that that enemy is himself a Seraph, he is exceedingly unlikely to doubt the accuracy of the Seraphic resonance in general. > Nor do I think that any warhawk will EVER be so interrogated. You can think whatever you please, but the canon fact that all Judgement servitors are weekly interrogated in precisely such a manner by their Seraph Archangel, and all other Servitors are asked the routine (canon!) list of questions already discussed as often as the finite yet considerable manpower resources of Judgement allow. There is are only two possible sets of circumstances under which it is possible for any conspiracy to have a long-term presence in the ranks of Judgement. One of them is to postulate the existence of something that can so perfectly shield vs. a Seraph Archangel possessing *all* of Judgement's Servitor attunements and distinctions that he can rigorously question a guilty being and yet never perceive anything even mildly suspicious. The other is to have Dominic himself be a willing conspirator, as in the example of Moe's "New Crusade" Let's add up what Dominic can do, shall we? He can, like any Seraph, perceive the Truth. As a Superior, he can automatically do so at a check digit of whatever he pleases, and only another Superior can hope to block it. Thanks to the Ofanite and Malakite of Judgement attunements, he can also perceive exactly how much and what type of Discord, and exactly how much dissonance, any being near him carries. Infallibly. Thanks to the Elohim of Judgement attunement, Dominic can infallibly know if anyone he looks at is harboring any feelings of guilt, whether justified or otherwise... and the degree of guilt being felt. Thanks to Mercurian of Judgement, Dominic can perceive the subject's most deviant behavior *in the eyes of Judgement* (IOW, "deviant" as defined by *Dominic*, not by the subject) and how long ago he committed. Thanks to his Friend of Judgement distinction, low-Willed beings confronted by Dominic confess to their crimes immediately. An ordinary Friend of Judgement can do so to any being with Will 4 or less. Dominic, having a Superior-level version of this Distinction, could presumably do so to stronger-willed beings. And as a Master of Law, Dominic automatically detects any crime (as the Incarnate Law attunement would define crime, which in Heaven means "Whatever Dominic considers heretical", given that it's Judgement's lawgivers that do most of the work defining what heresy is for the Host) within 10 x his Celestial Forces yards. For Bronwen (or any similar 18-Force Master of Law), that would be 180 yards. Lacking any quantifiable # for how many Celestial Forces Dominic has, the radius is presumably way larger to an indeterminate degree. And *this* is the being who snoops and pries into the lives of every Judgement servitor (or, if you use an alternate interpretation, every Judgement servitor in a key position) *every week*. As Sup1 points out, "When one's Seraph Archangel drops by every week, there is little point in doing anything but confessing quickly." Your conspiracy, as posited, has little real of hope of surviving without long-term collaborators inside Judgement itself. And given what you're up against here, it has no even faintly realistic odds of ever getting any. This isn't non-canon, BTW, save for those few bits clearly labeled as 'speculation' and 'presumably'. And even those are anything but radical departures from probability. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:10:47 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Ineffability and Final Thoughts.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Phipps" To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 9:49 PM Subject: IN> Ineffability and Final Thoughts.... > I know these don't count though because Gabriel has a live and let live work > and so would Eli. The question however is why anyone would SUSPECT something > like the Warhawks to exist. Because of all those Judgement triads who keep asking "Is there anything that you think we would be interested to know about?" as a routine question, to *every single angel that they ever question*. Eventually, one of them is gonna ping on somebody thinking "Oh yeah, do I know something you'd be interested in..." ... at which point, they're going to "And what exactly would that be?" From this point on, it's not a question of *if* Judgement will find out, only a question of *how long* it takes them to find out. Which, given that Judgement's methods start off at intense prolonged questioning under a lie detector and go all the way up to direct mind probes (check out the Inquisitor distinction sometime!)... In short -- Judgement doesn't need to suspect something like the Warhawks to exist. Judgement, unlike Earthly law enforcement authorities, does not wait until they already suspect something before going out to question suspects. In addition to investigating suspicious occurrences, they also conduct regular 'loyalty audits' of even the most blameless and innocent-appearing personnel, and on everybody else. Everybody's a suspect. Everybody is questioned. All the time. The CIA's counter-intelligence division has a saying -- "In God we trust, all others we polygraph." However, their polygraphs are fallible and prone to error. Judgement's seldom are. (In Heaven, where Infernal Interventions are impossible, Judgement's *never* are... the worst possible reading they can get is 'no result', at which point they simply ask you again and ping you again.) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:30:34 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Pretty Novalis Funtime hour All this Dominic talk has inspired me to do something bizzare, beware...In Anime comming up Adventure Hook "The Pretty Novalis Funtime Hour" Dominic wants to bash someone's head in with a gavel and though he realizes hunting demons is the job of the Sword and War he's perfectly willing to make an exception like he did with Makatiel and instruct his triads to get judge dredd on whoever did this latest work of abomination in heaven's name. Like Super Haagenti Hunter 3d which was a major embarassment from Hell til Heaven the Pretty Novalis funtime hour is a japanese company creation that is obviously the work of demons but it didn't strike NEARLY as closely to home as this one did. A Japanese anime that has become enormously popular on the states and on the island (and has good dubbing which is proof of Nybbas's involvement) has started which not only stars the namesake Archangel of Flowers but Dominic himself as....as....her boyfriend. The storyline (if it can be called that) is basically this. Novalis is a bouncing nontoo serious teenager of Seraphim who along with her brother Marc has been elected Archangel to go down to the earth and persuade demons to join the cause of good or promptly bash them back to their dark master who is a sinister but badly drawn Prince Asmodeus. Accompayning Sai...,err sorry there not THAT derivitive yet though expect them to be called that at least once in the series, Novalis is her buddy archangels boy crazy Gabriella Fireburn, Blandine who has downloadable babe written all over her, and tom boy Zadkiel. Dominic's part is the fact that he's been assigned to keep them all in line even when it's obvious all this female attention makes him extremely nervous. Oh and to annoy Dominic more he has a pet adorable demon he's trying to reform named Haagenti whom he tosses bones on occasion. The problem is that burning down the studio while having occured to Dominic probably won't do much more than stop the show from running which is ALMOST but not enough justification to do it in Dominic's mind. The anime was done privately on commision and an entire four years of them were done and sent off under a paper trail that's already been destroyed. The Marches are thankfully not filling with "Big Eyes" Dominic with Big Gavel whom in his amazingly inoffensive cuteness cost Dominic all respect but alot of Heaven and Hell is personally very unflatteringly portrayed in the cartoon and Michael was laughing his butt off until he tries to win over Novalis and Dominic beats him into a woozing star covered mess until she goes off with him. Laurence is offended that he comes off as a demented samurai ready to fight at the drop of the hat only barely held in check by his friendship to Dominic and the fact he's Michael's kid brother, worse he's shamelessly in love with Blandine who finds him a violent stupid fool. Hellwise Asmodeus is only offended by the fact that demons are getting a bad idea heavenly redemption is a good thing, he's had his name smeared enough he's used to it. Nybbas isn't sure whether or not he CAN or SHOULD kill it especially given he thinks he might be able to get a fifth season where he's the main villian and can sleep with Novalis. Lilith's horrofied she actually SLEEPS with Dominic in the second season PRETENDING to be novalis and is fuming and Baal wants to know why he's ASMODEUS'S general and what is up with the uncomfortable dramatic pauses, smiles, eye exchanges with him and kobal when discussing why neither of them have any attraction to the Pretty Archangels before Asmodeus. Dominic's fears this is a diabolic plot prove completly unsound as they're actually being made by some nonaligned ethereals in Japan who want to attract Heavengly attention to Nybbas's control over the media present. Indeed the ethereals are mostly young anime folks who were spared from a massacre by a sword swinger by a sympathetic judgement trial and by giving Dominic the girl they were kinduv hoping to do him a favor. The reason Laurence comes off so badly and why pretty Novalis eventually banishes Uriel back to the Higher Heavens in the 3rd season by fighting his anger with her love should be obvious to anyone who knows about the Purity crusade. The goddess of the Sun might consider this prodject beneath her if not for the fact she's also using this to test a theory, she wishes to see if the "Heavengly and Hellish Ethereals" can be "re-dreamed" as well as normal ones. and oddly Dominic when confornted about it DOES bear a surprisingly sheepish embarrased look whenever his servitors ask "You do find Novalis cute right?" - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:43:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Re: Tips for Judgement Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 03:26:37 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: Tips for Judgement (was Re: IN> Secret Conspiracy for In Nomine) At 6:21 AM -0400 4/29/01, Jo Hart wrote:> >>NB. Bronwen is a creation of fanfics also, so she >>only ever appears in them ;) >>You can ignore her in your game if you think she's >>pointless. (OK, I think she's a stupid idea and I'd >>never use her.) Woe! Woe, I cry! I fall down, crushed... OK, not really. The day I write something that _everybody_ likes will be the day Belial buys ice skates: not that I wouldn't _mind_, understand... ;) >Mmm -- I don't think she's stupid *or* pointless... I >rather like her, and the whole concept of the aide-de->camp. >And yet, I'm unlikely to ever use her in my games. >For the very reason that she's successful in an >important capacity. >She humanizes Dominic. Yup. Deliberately, and with - well, not 'malice' - aforethought. Hmm. Actually, the rationale behind her might be slightly interesting to the rest of you, so I'll try to briefly say _why_ I thought her good to post. Anyway, back in the dark days of ... OK, last year ... I looked upon the noncanonical terrain of IN, and found it good (read: "F*****g Cool"). Just not fully developed, in places. Being one of those lunatics who think that it's just dandy that there's no canonical setting on Brightness and Contrast, I immediately set forth to color in some of the blank spots. Whether I always stay within the lines is, well, a matter for debate (certainly _I_ don't like everything I write: you should see the stuff that I never post because even I can tell that it stinks). Again, anyway, one of the things that I noted is that there was a certain ... consensus ... about certain Superiors. All to the good, of course: however, seeing as my inner Archangel apparently _is_ Janus, well, give me a stream and I swim up it. OK, so this isn't too short, after all. Suffice it to say that I thought humanizing Dominic to be a worthwhile endeavour, at that time and place, and went on to do so, at that time and place. Then I went on to do such oddities as making Demon Princes of Cows and slaughtering Michael. No underlying themes, no grand vision: just a lot of Well, It Sounded Like A Neat Idea At The Time. Frankly, I'm mildly surprised that nobody's actually told me to shut _up_ by now. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:44:52 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Naming the Kitten! From: "Charles Glasgow" > > If anybody even *mentions* the word "Schrodinger"... That would be Vapula's cat, actually. ;;;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:47:30 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Authority of judgement From: "Charles Phipps" > > Dominic as elevated by God has the authority of the Pope > But no one gives him views of infalliability. They don't have to view him as infallible to respect his authority, and that authority has been proved in canon to be very wide in scope (or else how could he have ever taken the leader of Heaven's armies to trial not just once, but twice?) > Nor do I think that any warhawk will EVER be so interrogated. Canon doesn't support this, however. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:51:08 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Note delivered to Dominic - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Phipps" To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 9:52 PM Subject: IN> Note delivered to Dominic > Dear Dominque > > Unless the Spear of Longinus, Michael's Ax, Laurence's Sword, and a Pikachu > ethereal are delivered to my palace in Stygia within 24 hours I regret to > inform you I will KILL THE KITTEN. Dear Valefor. If you send Solomon back at once, I promise you that I will do my best to stop Jordi from declaring a war of extinction vs. you and all of your servitors. However, I suggest you hurry... he is in anything but a reasonable mood at the moment, to put it mildly. Before you dismiss this threat, try to imagine how incredibly unproductive and stressful life would be on Earth when your Captain of Corsairs distinction, which allows you to let you know if anyone is witnessing your actions, is continually going off for every animal and insect within reach. Now imagine your Servitors trying to get any work done with the same problem. Add in a multitude large furry things with very sharp teeth and claws. Repeat until infinity. Piranha and sharks are standing by for any aquatic ventures that might be necessary. Incidentally, given that Jordi's sudden entry into the War full-time as opposed to his usual semi-absentee stance would be a significant shift in the balance of power in Heaven's favor, you would also be liable to considerable negative attention from both Baal and Asmodeus for having been the precipitating factor in shifting Jordi's motivation. While this has never worried you overmuch before, you are still aware of the concept of pressing one's luck. I might also note that cats have as much of Lilith's affection as anything in the universe possibly can, given that she feels a degree of emotional kinship to them. I might also note that getting on Lilith's bad side does incredibly grievous things to one's account balance, given that her prices change in direct variance to how much the customer has annoyed her recently. I might also mention that Zadkiel is currently working herself up to the Cherubic equivalent of obsessive frothing rage (she has always been over-protective of small harmless things, *especially* kittens), Laurence has already decided to nominate several of your Knights and Barons as targets for the Order of the Eternal Sword (and the # of nominees is increasing every hour... at the rate he is going, he will reach your name in 23 hours), Michael is muttering sentiments about how *happy* he'd be to provide you with as close a view of his axe as anyone could possibly wish for (did I forget to mention that Michael is a cat person? Well, he is. Who knew?), and worst of all, Novalis is seriously considering declaring you Beyond The Pale. Again, let me emphasize that I am not exaggerating here. No one in Heaven can recall Novalis having used profane language at any time in the past thirty millennia (Novalis' entire known lifespan)... yet when news of Solomon's kidnapping was communicated to her, the resulting verbal outburst wilted flowers at fifty yards. I saw Michael taking notes to help him expand *his* vocabulary of scatology, which up until now had been thought to be the most comprehensive in the entire Symphony. Similar reactions pertain with all of my other fellow Archangels. Even Eli, although I have no idea how he found about this (side note in feminine handwriting -- because I'd told the most Servitor of Creation I knew and asked him to forward the message, Most Just.) has messaged in to render his strenuous and wrathful objections to your act, as well as asking me to forward his offer to you re: a personal demonstration of certain Creative applications for a piece of string and a small fruit... (Don't ask me, I didn't want to know either.) Honestly, Valefor, didn't you stop to *think*? Solomon has been the first attendant of a Seraphim Council meeting in over *twenty-two thousand years* to have actually brought *any* significant degree of cheerfulness and/or emotional relief to the occasion! Given the incredible occupational stress we have all been laboring under up here, and the subjective eternity that stress has lasted, this has quite naturally produced an incredibly large degree of sentiment for and approval of the little fellow's presence. Netanya did better than even she knew when she gave me her Gift. In short, we all love the kitten. We *all* love that kitten. *Dearly*. So I strongly suggest you hand him back unharmed and at once. While you still have hands. Dominic, Archangel of Judgement (not in Dominic's handwriting) (signed by direction -- Bronwen, Malakite Inquisitor Master of Law. Dominic dictated the letter, Valefor, but his hands were shaking with rage so badly that he couldn't hold the pen. Oh, personal message from me. Touch one more whisker on the kitten's head, Thief, and I'm putting in for a transfer to the Order of the Eternal Sword.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:50:43 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Note delivered to Dominic - -----Original Message----- From: Janet Anderson To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:59 PM Subject: Re: IN> Note delivered to Dominic >Unless the Spear of Longinus, Michael's Ax, Laurence's Sword, and a Pikachu >>ethereal are delivered to my palace in Stygia within 24 hours I regret to >>inform you I will KILL THE KITTEN. > > >Which will result in his ending up where? ... > >That's what I thought. > >Don't tell me Valefor's that dumb ... I presume he means soul-killing the Kitten, which would basically destroy it permanently. Anyways, Dominic simply has to call up Janus, saying "Ok, I'll overlook thisthingorother, as long as you bring me back my Kitten, ok?" A few hours later, the Kitten's back, none the worst for wear, and all it cost Dominic was a favor. ...And Janus simply walks away, grinning like crazy... - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:55:02 -0700 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> The Pretty Novalis Funtime hour From: "Charles Phipps" <> :laughter: Oh, I like this. --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:57:01 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Tips for Judgement From: "Maurice Lane" > > Frankly, I'm mildly surprised that nobody's actually > told me to shut _up_ by now. :) What, and risk not seeing what comes next? Are you mad, sir? ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:57:16 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Tips for Judgement - -----Original Message----- From: Maurice Lane To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:48 PM Subject: IN> Re: Tips for Judgement >Frankly, I'm mildly surprised that nobody's actually >told me to shut _up_ by now. :) > >Moe You're kidding, right? Moe, we don't ever want you to shut up... You're far more entertaining then some of the shows on TV, anyways. ^^ And Creation kicks Media in the booty, yet again! (Just putting this back in topic somehow) - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:06:14 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Tips for Judgement - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:43 PM Subject: IN> Re: Tips for Judgement > Frankly, I'm mildly surprised that nobody's actually > told me to shut _up_ by now. :) Moe, I swear, sometimes you can be the stupidest person I know. Tell *you* to shut up? You're the single most entertaining and thought-provoking person on this list! I would venture to say that there are people who have subscribed to this list largely, if not entirely, just for the purpose of hearing whatever you come up with next! - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:07:09 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> The Pretty Novalis Funtime hour - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Phipps" To: Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:30 PM Subject: IN> The Pretty Novalis Funtime hour > and oddly Dominic when confornted about it DOES bear a surprisingly sheepish > embarrased look whenever his servitors ask "You do find Novalis cute right?" Hey, what's so embarassing about that.. it's True, isn't it? *g* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:11:43 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Note delivered to Dominic Really, demons have done some of the most disgusting, horrific, and cruel things ever imagined -- think Vapulans and Samingans in particular - -- but all of Heaven is going to go to war over a pet kitten? Torturing babies, raping Saints, turning nuns into zombies, and other varied atrocities, hasn't moved any Archangel to devote himself to retribution against one Demon Prince in particular, but threaten a kitty, and they're all ready for Armageddon? Sometimes I agree with Jo, and sometimes I don't, but in the realm of "Turning In Nomine silly," I tend to agree with her. And this is silly. - -David (no, I don't particularly like In Nomine silly. Or with kittens) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:25:31 -0500 From: EDG Subject: IN> Note part 2: Some Characterization Occurs Dear Dominic: I will give you o8refanything if you will just Take This Thing Away. Yes, even the silk box9i65weykdhrs. Please. - - Vale9o76efor - --- Valefor sighed. How the kitten had managed to - by simply walking on the page while he was writing - get typographical errors into a -handwritten document- he'd never know; he was sending the Archangel of Judgment the best of about thirty copies. (He'd learned long ago to write his own letters; his servitors thought it was funny to never deliver them, hoarding them instead in secret stashes.) Currently, the ... -thing- ... was batting at one of Valefor's now quite tattered coattails; maybe Kobal could explain why this was high entertainment for a cat, but Valefor himself was at a loss. He stood, the ... thing ... clinging mightily to the coattail and scrabbling at the back of Valefor's knee with his rear paws for a toehold, and started to walk away from the Stone of the Sword (nobody ever asks about -that-, do they? One of his lesser-known - and lesser-cared-about - early thefts), heading aimlessly for one of the nearer Tethers in the hopes that it would be the one down which Dominic descended to retrieve his ... thing. An ooze crawled over a nearby treasure hoard, gibbering for its master's attention. "Dread Rogue King!" it exclaimed, "I have a message for you." Valefor's eyes seemed to light up for a moment. "Give it here," he commanded, and the ooze bowed as best it could and pulled a tightly-rolled sheet of parchment from a pocket, handing it to the Prince of Theft. The ... thing ... was by now on his shoulder, looking intently as Valefor unrolled the sheet. Dearest Valefor, it read, I am given to understand that you have in your possession one of our dear friend Dominic's playthings. Would you see fit to lend it to me for some time, so that I can discern what joy Dominic derives from it? With ... regards, and an illegible scribble which could nonetheless only be Andrealphus'. "It's too bad she only knows how to -play- 'Doctor'," muttered Theft, "she's got the signature for the profession." He pulled out a matching sheet and began to write, in a hurry lest the ... thing ... discover that his hair was not the most amusing toy in the universe before he was finished the letter. "Andre," he spoke, deliberately and slowly, as he wrote, "It gives me only the Deepest Regret to allow you to play with, Dominic's Toy, for I am having such Fun with It. Only Today it has assisted me in, procuring ten Pounds of Cat litter and, four pounds of Cat food, and all without Paying for it!" He paused. "I think it would be good for it to, go play with you, though. It might learn some, Respect." Another pause. "Yours," he said, and then deliberated for a moment. "Valefor." Theft nearly jumped. "What?" he asked defensively, then smiled as he saw Kobal's wry grin. "What're you doing?" asked the Prince of Dark Humor. "Writing a letter to Andrealphus," replied Valefor, already on the defensive. Something, he could tell, was horribly, horribly wrong. "About what?" "She wants to borrow Dominic's ... thing." "His thing?" Kobal's eyebrow quirked. "The little cat thing." Alarms started going off in the back of Valefor's head. "What little cat thing?" Kobal was the model of innocence. Valefor snapped his head around. "Oh. My. God." "I should say so," remarked Kobal mildly as Valefor vanished. - --- ObIN: The Adventure Seed. Dominic's cat is lost. Normally this wouldn't be a problem. However, Dominic's cat has managed to get itself lost on the wrong side of the tracks - which is to say, Hell. In a Disney movie, this would result in the small furry creature coming home with a new mate and everybody being happy, but, much to the contrary of public opinion, Hell isn't a theme park in Florida (or California - Europe is still under debate), and Dominic fears that the kitten may be in serious danger. For angelic PCs, this is a chance to get a glimpse of Hell firsthand. (This is also a chance for the GM to give the players a royal mindscrew - Hell can't be awful if everybody there is having a good time, can it? Never mind that these are all just souls who have been promised freedom (by Balseraphs, natch) if they'll play the part while the angels are around.) Their demonic escort will naturally allow them to go anywhere they have to to find the kitten - Asmodeus' orders, don't you know - and meet anyone they have to, up to the Princes themselves. (Lucifer? It's GM prerogative whether he's busy or not.) For demonic PCs, this is a chance to get in -really- good with the Game and their Superiors in one shot. The demons will naturally be getting more access to actual Hellish terrain than angels would, but the other demons will also be looking at them kinda funny, and the souls who've been hired to look happy and content will probably make them distinctly uneasy. What, nobody mentioned that both teams are going to be running at once? That's odd. By the way, the PCs will also be up against not only Valefor (hunting desperately for his ace in the hole - this kitten is the one thing he -can't- seem to find) but Andrealphus and Kobal as well. This is, of course, not to mention the odd robed "demon" who's been wandering around asking questions about the kitten. You know, the one who answers to "Bronner". ... Oh, I'm not allowed to leave a hint like that dangling, am I? Okay. The Stone of the Sword is an ordinary stone with some vague cultural significance and a slot in the top long enough to fit a standard broadsword. Aside from the fact that any sword placed in the slot gains a +1 to accuracy every full month (30 days) that it's left in the stone, which lasts for a number of weeks equal to the bonus, it's perfectly normal. And unique. No point cost - this one you have to -steal- from - -Valefor- if you want it. (Right now, when the kitten is missing, would be an excellent time to do just that, don't you think?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:09:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Note delivered to Dominic On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Janet Anderson wrote: > Unless the Spear of Longinus, Michael's Ax, Laurence's Sword, and a Pikachu > >ethereal are delivered to my palace in Stygia within 24 hours I regret to > >inform you I will KILL THE KITTEN. > > Which will result in his ending up where? ... Nonono, think about this one. The kitten is the SOUL of a DEAD kitten. That's why it can be celestial. Valefor can easily SOUL KILL the little kitty. It's a valid threat. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Ninety-nine percent of life is what you make of it, so if your life sucks, you suck." -- Mike Muir ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:17:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Note delivered to Dominic On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Charles Glasgow wrote: > Dear Valefor. > > If you send Solomon back at once, I promise you that I will do my best to > stop Jordi from declaring a war of extinction vs. you and all of your > servitors. However, I suggest you hurry... he is in anything but a > reasonable mood at the moment, to put it mildly. > Oh, personal message from me. Touch one more whisker on the kitten's head, > Thief, and I'm putting in for a transfer to the Order of the Eternal Sword.) Well written... I haven't laughed out loud this many times from this list in a while! And David - no, it's *not* realistic at all. It's fluff; a comedic reply to a mostly-comedic, slightly-serious post. I think you need to spend some time with Daisy, learning how not to be such a snuffily grumpy-pants - she can wean you off of canon at the same time, even... :) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "When nothing's funny, it gets easy to laugh at the drop of a hat - or a bomb." -- Devo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:37:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Mariel's old cathedral Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:28:49 -0400From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Mariel's old cathedral >The Clocktower This is interesting. Could be useful as an indication that Mariel isn't dead, after all ... just spelunking in Haagenti's stomach. And, seeing as it doesn't look _too_ broken, heck, maybe she's Redeemed and is fighting a mini-War with Meserach. (pause) I know that something like this has been suggested before, but let me say again that an Inside Haagenti's Digestive System campaign would be very, very strange. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:43:56 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Note delivered to Dominic - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 1:17 AM Subject: Re: IN> Note delivered to Dominic > And David - no, it's *not* realistic at all. It's fluff; a comedic reply > to a mostly-comedic, slightly-serious post. Given that Solomon is never out of the sensing rage of at *least* two Masters of Law (Dominic himself & Bronwen), and that kidnapping is a crime, I fail to see how any 'serious' scenario could have the kitten kidnapped at all. Even if we assume that somehow somebody was able to steal all the way into Heaven and get into Judgement's Cathedral (or the Seraphim Council building, etc.) undetected, the instant he grabs the kitten with the intent to take it to Valefor (or for ransom, or for any such thing), *ka-zam*, alarm bells start a-ringing 'cause a kidnapping's in progress. That Master of Law distinction is a real handy talent. The kidnapper's next step after the alarm goes off involves being nailed to the floor by a lot of Warders, followed up by... errrrr, let's not go into detail as to what it's followed up by. Children might be reading this. *eg* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:53:06 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Note delivered to Dominic Charles Glasgow wrote: > > And David - no, it's *not* realistic at all. It's fluff; a comedic reply > > to a mostly-comedic, slightly-serious post. > > Given that Solomon is never out of the sensing rage of at *least* two > Masters of Law (Dominic himself & Bronwen), and that kidnapping is a crime, > I fail to see how any 'serious' scenario could have the kitten kidnapped at > all. Ahh, but, to treat this ever so briefly as a serious scenario whether it deserves it or not, what if Valefor's stealing the cat himself? This is the demon, after all, who steals books from Yves, and who, without _anybody_ noticing, skinned Gebbeleth and turned him into a coat (or whatever ^_^). If he wants the kitten, he can probably get it (at least in any campaign I run). After all, Dominic is distracted by all sorts of things (keeping a bunch of warlike thugs and obstinant hippies in line), and so is not actually devoting all his effort to guarding the kiten. Valefor, on the other hand, can turn all of his Superior level sneakiness on and concentrate entirely on one task; stealing the kitten. Oh, and while I'm up I'll send a "nice!" over to EDG for a quite excellent narrative and adventure seed on the topic. Cheers, Ryan ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2190 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.