From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Apr 30 15:00:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12978 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:00:43 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id PAA30385 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:09:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:09:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200104302009.PAA30385@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2192 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, April 30 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2192 In this digest: FLUFFerizing Posts (Was: Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten) Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten IN> Let's get back to the kitten Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten Re: IN> Let's get back to the kitten Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten Re: IN> Let's get back to the kitten Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten IN> Bizzare questions for dominic? Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten Re: IN> Let's get back to the kitten Re: FLUFFerizing Posts (Was: Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten) Re: IN> Re: Tips for Judgement Re: IN> Let's get back to the kitten Re: IN> Let's get back to the kitten Re: IN> Naming the Kitten! Re: IN> Let's get back to the kitten Re: IN> Let's get back to the kitten Re: IN> Let's get back to the kitten Re: IN> Fwd: In Nomine Q&A. Re: IN> A plot problem Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic, Part Whatever... Re: FLUFFerizing Posts (Was: Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten) Re: IN> Malakim and Falling Re: IN> Speaking of my Inner Archangel...* IN> Newbie here... Re: IN> Newbie here... IN> Wind Malakim way to cause Judgement pain Re: IN> Wind Malakim way to cause Judgement pain Re: IN> Wind Malakim way to cause Judgement pain Re: IN> Newbie here... Re: IN> Wind Malakim way to cause Judgement pain Re: IN> Malakim and Falling Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten Re: IN> A plot problem Re: IN> Malakim and Falling ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:21:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: FLUFFerizing Posts (Was: Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:04:57 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten >Oh, gee, I hope this thread dies soon. Same here. I can see - well, perceive - people's blood pressure rising. >I will only remark that there seems to be a failure >all round to distinguish between material presented >as gaming ideas and material presented as mere >entertainment. Perhaps more use of the FLUFF flag? > >Earl Sounds sensible. Of course, defining precisely what 'fluff' is may be troublesome, so when in doubt, I guess that I'll be flagging a lot. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:27:30 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten >I also have a sense of wit and style, two >senses that forbid wars over normal kittens in a serious game.) Okay, I'll be more explicit. 1. I do not think the Kitten War was intended to be a serious game. 2. I define as "having no sense of humor" not someone who did not think it was funny, but someone who did not realize it wasn't intended to be serious. Janet Anderson (There's *lots* of stuff I don't think is funny on this list, but I hope I can tell when it's intended to be.) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:38:39 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Let's get back to the kitten I think the populace may be right and this is degenerating into "I do so have a sense of humor!" "You do not!", so I suggest we get back to really important philosophical issues like "What results does Bronwen get when she uses her Malakite resonance on the kitten?" Or "Does Marc's coffee shop give the kitten free cream, or send the bill to Dominic?" Or "Is the kitten's cloak an Artifact, and if so what is its level and abilities?" Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:40:21 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten Janet Anderson wrote: > 2. I define as "having no sense of humor" not someone who did not think it> was funny, but someone who did not realize it wasn't intended to be serious. Ah. Then allow me to correct your misapprehension: I didn't think it was intended to be serious. I was explaining why I didn't like it nonetheless. I'm just not fond of IN silliness, and sometimes the overload of cute kittens, celestials-as-Teletubbies/Barney/Godzilla/whatever, and Lilim who act like teenaged girls in heat when oggling Malakite butts gets to be too much for me and summons forth my inner Grinch. Or inner Habbalite, if you prefer. - -David (Elohite or Habbalite, depending on current dissonance) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:44:01 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten From: "David Edelstein" > Prodigal wrote: > > I think it has more to do with the length at which you expounded > > on how bad an idea the kitten is, rather than the mere difference > > of opinion. > > What does my having a strongly different opinion have to do with my > having no sense of humor? "What does the sheer degree of umbrage taken from the posting of something harmlessly silly to the list have to do with your having no sense of humor" would, I think, be a slightly better question. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:47:20 -0600 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> Let's get back to the kitten > I think the populace may be right and this is degenerating into "I do so > have a sense of humor!" "You do not!", so I suggest we get back to really > important philosophical issues like "What results does Bronwen get when she > uses her Malakite resonance on the kitten?" Malakite resonance on a cat? Animals, with their inability to tell right from wrong, act out of hunger, pain, and so on. I imagine it'd get very little. > Or "Does Marc's coffee shop give the kitten free cream, or send the bill to > Dominic?" I imagine that since the currency of Heaven is essence, and even a point of essence is worth years of cream, charging Dominic for cream would be mildly dissonant for any of Marc's servitors. It just isn't a fair trade. > Or "Is the kitten's cloak an Artifact, and if so what is its level and > abilities?" If the kitten's cloak is an artifact, Jean's servitor's should confiscate it and a triad should be summoned to deal with whichever angel was foolish enough to leave an artifact on an animal. It's dangerous to leave artifacts where they can be easily stolen. > Janet Anderson Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:50:28 -0600 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten > "What does the sheer degree of umbrage taken from the posting of something > harmlessly silly to the list have to do with your having no sense of humor" > would, I think, be a slightly better question. This flame is off-topic. Oh, wait. It may seem that I have no sense of humor. Let's try that again. This flame is off-topic. Hey, a kitten! HAHAHAHAH! Anyway. :) Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:46:21 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Let's get back to the kitten At 4:38 PM -0400 4/30/01, Janet Anderson wrote: >Or "Does Marc's coffee shop give the kitten free cream, or send the >bill to Dominic?" Free cream. It's wonderful for word-of-mouth advertising. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:56:25 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten Prodigal wrote: > "What does the sheer degree of umbrage taken from the posting of something > harmlessly silly to the list have to do with your having no sense of humor" > would, I think, be a slightly better question. No, it wouldn't, though I find it amusing that you read any "sheer degree of umbrage" in my post. (Oops, I have no sense of humor, so I couldn't possibly find anything amusing.) Believe me, when I'm taking umbrage, it's obvious. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:08:50 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Bizzare questions for dominic? Seraph of Judgement: Oh most judgemental testament to God's divine order why do you allow the ineffable writers of In Nomine to slander yon name such with kittens, consciences that you don't need, and the ability to do things without pressing righteous judgement? Dominic: Ah the mouths of babes. Most noble I travel with a kitten because unfortuantely this is the new millenium. The old testament spark has lost it's authority and the gavel of ill mercy encourages rebellion rather than descent. Seraph: Master no! Dominic: Yes it is the end of an era. However even as the Angel of the Inquisition ceases his place as my chief advisor and the angel of mercy takes their place my harshness or essential nature does not change. Let the heretics believe that I am "there for them" or "I am soft" it will only be added to their misconceptions when the trial finally begins. Seraph: I see most truthful... Dominic: I somewhat doubt that as the stinking chords of dissonance now strike across your flesh! GET Browyn: Softly sir. Seraph: Dominic: You see. I am still going to assign you to tether duty and remove you of your distinction but because you have an advocate in Bronwyn it now seems like you are more "fairly represented". Seraph: Now I DO understand. Dominic: Good and the kitten apparently puts a person at ease... Kitten: Meow. Dominic: Thank you Sparkles. Thus allowing a more friendlier face which loosens up followers of the Wind and other would be violators of our laws to speak loosly and less gaurdedly in my and my servitors presence. Seraph: The kitten is the good cop to your bad cop? Dominic: In a manner of speaking. Finally regarding my not prosecuting distinct offenders.... Seraph: Sir that's against your dissonance conditions... Dominic: On the contrary my many eyes still see all but allowing the festering boil of cancer that is heresay to puss a bit reminds Heaven of the importance of my work and also gives accurate measuring of just how far an angel and those around him have been corrupted by what I refer to as "new trends" in Heaven. The young can be given a longer leash than normal so best they not snap it and when the time comes that the full weight of their actions come crashing down on them they're is little reason to trial and thus we avoid losing a fighter for Heaven yet should he come close to falling or outcasting he will be able to be destroyed or corrected as possible. Seraph: That is disturbingly risky to me. Dominic: Unfortunately my Seraphim friend despite what people wonder if I'm too harsh and I wonder if I'm harsh enough I also recognize that the banner of the rebel while repulsive to you and me has a far less vile connotation to the new generations of angels who follow Janus's beliefs of freedom and enlightened...revolution. However it is my judgement to leave certain groups alone as best not to add fuel to that fire but give their own archangels chances to deal with the problem until proven that they are heretical and not in some way serving their word in a way I cannot percieve. In effect I am not pulling rank until confirmably necessary. Seraph: It's always necessary. Dominic: My child My child the velvet glove hides an iron gauntlet. I know more about Heaven as a friend and boon companion than I ever did know about it as it's sheriff. Wind servitors since the arrival of Sparkles and the Bronwyn let Judgement men move into their homes and Michaelites drink with my brethren. It may of course become necessary at some point to dispell this illusion... Seraph: But for the time it is MOST useful. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:18:16 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten >From: "Prodigal" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:44:01 -0500 > >From: "David Edelstein" > > > Prodigal wrote: > > > I think it has more to do with the length at which you expounded > > > on how bad an idea the kitten is, rather than the mere difference > > > of opinion. > > > > What does my having a strongly different opinion have to do with my > > having no sense of humor? > >"What does the sheer degree of umbrage taken from the posting of something >harmlessly silly to the list have to do with your having no sense of humor" >would, I think, be a slightly better question. > I don't think anyone has been taking sheer degrees of umbrage. We're allowed not to like it, and can this topic die now? jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:24:12 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Let's get back to the kitten Ben Glickler wrote: > If the kitten's cloak is an artifact, Jean's servitor's should > confiscate it and a triad should be summoned to deal with whichever > angel was foolish enough to leave an artifact on an animal. It's > dangerous to leave artifacts where they can be easily stolen. Yeah, but when the artifact's only effect is to prevent the wearer from shedding? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:26:49 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: FLUFFerizing Posts (Was: Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten) - --On Monday, April 30, 2001 9:21 AM -0700 Maurice Lane wrote: > Sounds sensible. Of course, defining precisely what > 'fluff' is may be troublesome, so when in doubt, I > guess that I'll be flagging a lot. :) I use the "from" line, personally. Spares me aeons of grief. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Hasn't made a serious post yet, he thinks.") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Re: Tips for Judgement Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:18:38 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Tips for Judgement >>Frankly, I'm mildly surprised that nobody's actually >>told me to shut _up_ by now. :) >> >Hey, I'd be the last person to tell you to shut up ;) Oh, I'm not cringing and waiting for the mob: I'm just bemused by the statistical improbability of it all. :) >But I really find that humanising Dominic is a quick >way to ruin the game (for me, at least.) Actually, I just figured out why I enjoy doing that so much: too much Terry Pratchett in my mental diet. (strictly personal interpretation to follow) It's that entire Anthropomorphic Personification* thing: take a Word shaped by humanity, take a _form_ dictated by human expectations, and eventually, well... ...the form starts affecting *you*. The next campaign that I run will have a /sharp/ contrast between celestials that have entered the corporeal plane and those who have _never_ done so: the latter will find the former slightly (or not-so-slightly) off, after a while, because celestials subject to Earth duty (and if you want a shot at the really big time - that is to say, a Word - you want Earth duty) will begin to adapt to/be corrupted by corporeal concerns. This may be bad; this may be good; this will be a factor, especially if you have a Word**. And, of course, the really amusing bit is that this version of Judgement is going to be _riddled_ with angels affected like this, 'cuz they're going to be more concerned with Servitors dealing with Earth than they would be with the stay-at-homes. And seeing as Dominic probably spends more time on Earth than just about any other Superior (except Eli)... But that's just my next (tentative) campaign vision. It's no more (or less) inherently True than any other. I certainly understand the "these guys are _Other_, and all the kittens in the universe won't change that fact position": dunno if I'd like gaming in it, but I'd hate to game in a lot of worlds that I love reading about. Moe *Excuse me: ANTHROPOMORPHIC PERSONIFICATION. :) **Hmm... I misremember if the Grigori Word-bound got their Words taken away. Interesting... ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/29/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:37:11 -0600 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> Let's get back to the kitten > Yeah, but when the artifact's only effect is to prevent the wearer > from shedding? Kyriotates have fallen for less! > Earl Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:26:46 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Let's get back to the kitten >Ben Glickler wrote: > > > If the kitten's cloak is an artifact, Jean's servitor's should > > confiscate it and a triad should be summoned to deal with whichever > > angel was foolish enough to leave an artifact on an animal. It's > > dangerous to leave artifacts where they can be easily stolen. > >Yeah, but when the artifact's only effect is to prevent the wearer >from shedding? Prevent a *cat* from *shedding*? Truly, that must be an artifact of mighty and arcane powers indeed! Confiscate and examine it at once! *g* - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:29:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Naming the Kitten! - --- Charles Glasgow wrote: > If anybody even *mentions* the word "Schrodinger"... Oh, please. Everybody knows that Vapula's cat. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:35:28 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Let's get back to the kitten > >Yeah, but when the artifact's only effect is to prevent the wearer > >from shedding? > > Prevent a *cat* from *shedding*? I suppose, by the way, that the kitten's fur must be some color that contrasts nicely with a black cloak? Angelically white, perhaps? Wandering still further afield, does Dominic's description make anyone else think of Ningauble of the Seven Eyes, from the Fafrd and Grey Mouser tales of Fritz Leiber? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:37:05 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Let's get back to the kitten >I think the populace may be right and this is degenerating into "I do so >have a sense of humor!" "You do not!", so I suggest we get back to really >important philosophical issues like "What results does Bronwen get when she >uses her Malakite resonance on the kitten?" "Most dishonorable deed today -- snuck into kitchen, stole piece of meat. Most honorable deed today -- pounced on celestial mouse that was gnawing upon important records, beat the snot out of it, let it go back to the Savannah unhurt but seriously shaken." You know. Kitten stuff. *g* >Or "Does Marc's coffee shop give the kitten free cream, or send the bill to >Dominic?" If you are so lacking in simple charity that you can't even begrudge a poor little kitten one free treat, how'd you get into Heaven? *g* - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:42:08 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Let's get back to the kitten >I suppose, by the way, that the kitten's fur must be some color >that contrasts nicely with a black cloak? Angelically white, >perhaps? My mental picture of Solomon is as a plain ol' gray tabby cat. You know -- Cat, Basic, Mark One, Mod Zero. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:24:27 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: In Nomine Q&A. At 2:38 PM -0400 4/27/01, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >>From: "John Higginbotham" >> 1) [...] Is it >>possible for multiple Cherubim and/or Djinn to be attuned to the same >>subject? Yes; see the Djinn of Fate attunement for the exception. >> 2) [...] Does the Cherubim of Creation >>attunement actually invoke the Choir's resonance itself? This is up to the GM, but I generally say not; however, I also generally allow Cherubim of Creation to invoke their Choir Attunement and _then_ use that link to attune to the item's creator normally. I figure that their resonance gets them into plenty of trouble anyway, so why not let them get into trouble long-distance? O:> >>In other >>words, once the Cherub led the Malakite to Shihor, would she then be >>obliged to protect the Djinn from her ally, the hostile Malakite? Only if she had actually attuned, rather than hanging onto the letter and using only her Choir Attunement to track the letter's creator. >> Or >>could the Cherub lend the Malakite a hand with beating Shihor down and >>sending him back to Hell? If she hasn't attuned, sure. >> 3) (Addendum to #2) If the Cherubim of Creation attunement does >>indeed protect Shihor, then if protecting Shihor allows him to >>jeopardize Anna's destiny and well-being in the future, would the Cherub >>gain dissonance for not neutralizing a perpetual threat to one of her >>attuned (Anna, in this case) when she had the chance? Only if the threat actually comes across, or Anna starts getting damaged; basically, if the Cherub has violated her word. (Carefully read the dissonance conditions about betrayal that are up in the front of the Cherub section, not just the Game Mechanics section.) >>Or would it only apply every time Shihor made a move to "protect" Anna? If Shihor's "protection" worked out to be damaging to Anna, then it would be dissonant to allow it. (Technically, only if Anna is killed would _that_ aspect of Cherubic dissonance kick in -- so you can't slowly torture a Cherub's attuned to make the Cherub Fall; the whole torture session is probably only 1-2 notes of dissonance.) >> Cherubim would >>be wise not to attune themselves to subjects who might come into >>conflict with each other.... No da. >> 4) If he actually did manage to brand >>her, could the Cherub also use the brand to track down Shihor? Yup. >> Could >>any Cherub attuned to Anna follow the brand to the Djinn, or would that >>only apply to Eli's Cherubim? Any Cherub; says so in the description of the Djinn of Fire attunement. Any Djinn, too, for that matter. >> 5) If a >>celestial is stripped of all Corporeal Forces (no Remnant) and all >>Celestial Forces (no Heart), leaving nothing but Ethereal Forces, what >>becomes of the victim? If it has no Celestial Forces, and no vessel to take refuge in (no Corporeal Forces), then by canon it disbands, and is soul-dead and gone forever and ever. If you want to do something funky -- such as Malphas did with Mira in FotM -- then you can make house-rules, Funky Relics, or whatever else you want that seems to justify the result. >> 6) [...] But the proficiency rules on Large Weapon, >>Small Weapon, Ranged Weapon and other combat-related skills are unclear. Fighting doesn't need a specialization. Other weapons do. (Many GMs chuck that as overly-complicated.) >> If Beltheris (the Calabite) wanted to wield another large weapon--say, >>a sword--would she use the same skill at the same level? Canonically, no. >> Does the Large >>Weapon skill work on ALL large weapons, with the parentheses merely >>denoting a common use for the skill? Canonically, no. This is what many GMs change, though, to permit. >> Or would she have to resort to the >>default, since she lacks "Large Weapon (sword)"? Yes. >> Could she learn the >>same skill multiple times, each covering a different weapon? Yes. This would be written as "Large Weapon (Sledgehammer/2, Sword/1)" (or whatever values those have). >> And could >>she use her "sledgehammer" skill for any large weapon with the same use >>and feel of a sledgehammer (like a battle axe)? GM's option. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:06:30 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> A plot problem >I have this Cherub of Stone who's going on an airplane trip and doesn't >want to be separated from his brass knuckles -- and they'll set off the >metal detector and are (I believe) illegal. Yes, he could send them >through his luggage, but he wants them to hand (as it were) in case he >needs them. > >Suggestions? Is there a Windy in the party with the Swipe attunement? *blip* Right across the metal detectors. Passage attunement. *click*. That was the lock on the airport employee's door that leads to the gate area but *doesn't* go through the metal detectors. Kyriotate of Lightning. Momentarily possess the metal detector. Any Kyriotate. Momentarily possess the guy running the metal detector, and have him temporarily flick the switch from "On" to "Test". (Otherwise, the beeping will alert everybody within earshot). Remote Control Attunement. Again, put the instrument in "Test" mode for a minute or so. Have him enter the restroom, take off his boots and socks, and temporarily slip those suckers on over his *toes*. Then cram his feet back into the boots. Uncomfortable to say the least, but an angelic vessel can take the pain. And he can just tell the security guard that you're wearing steel-toed boots, and while they will take him aside, pat him down, and run the hand-held metal detector wand up and down his arms and legs, they will *not* make him take your boots off. (Real-world note -- This pattern of behavior has held consistently the last five times I've worn steel-toed boots through metal detectors in real life, in two different airports and one Federal building.) And finally -- what kind of Cherub of Stone *needs* brass knuckles? *g* - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:31:07 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic, Part Whatever... At 9:44 PM -0700 4/27/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >I'm going to Hell when I die, no doubt. You are soooooooooo lucky that the baby isn't asleep because if she were you would have been respons 04578 2i3ble for her waking up9. Instead, she can +nail the keyboard with her hee;l. >Dominique: "But he stole it shamelessly, didn't he >just? And the cloak idea was his fault. Do you know >hard it is to put the fear of the Righteous Anger of >the Lord into a Heretical when you've got a kitten >wearing a cloak on your shoulder? No, you wouldn't: Dominic and kitten should talk to the Discworld Death and Death of Rats.... Maybe they could teach the kitten to say, "MEW." - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:18:16 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: FLUFFerizing Posts (Was: Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten) > I use the "from" line, personally. Spares me aeons of grief. I think that system breaks down when there are people who have posted both the fluffiest of fluff *and* the most doggedly humorless arguments about what is and is not canon, purely as the whim struck them. *eg* - -- Chuckg (I wouldn't say I'm *bipolar*, really... I just do different moods at different times...) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:40:52 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Malakim and Falling At 3:21 PM -0400 4/28/01, Charles Phipps wrote: >Removed the Two top oaths from his celestial form? > >Would he then be able to fall? Depends on the GM; personally, unless this was some kind of Plot Device, I'd say that those two oaths are what _make_ a Malakite a Malakite. So if you remove them, you get something else that's not a Malakite (maybe a reliever, maybe another Choir) -- or the Malakite simply unravels. Oops. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:41:08 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Speaking of my Inner Archangel...* At 3:42 PM -0700 4/28/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >...it needs feeding. Any recommendations for good >IN-themed books? > >Bear in mind that I've already read To Reign in Hell >and Good Omens, and keep meaning to go through the >various bibliographies properly. Okay, Moe, so we can make sure this doesn't turn into an undead thread (such as the Music ones did, which is why they're banned), be sure to _keep all suggestions_ and when they've trickled out, post the file on your website. Then _everyone_ can go read them. O:> That said, the only one I can think of which isn't already in the GIN Bibli would be the Tanya Huff Keeper books, of which the first is, IIRC, _Summon the Keeper_ and the second (much more IN-lensed) is _The Second Calling._ I also like the B&W comic _Genaissance_. You want that one. It's up to issue 3, I think. Oh, and I think www.brokenhalo.com might be useful, when they come back. O:/ - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:27:11 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: IN> Newbie here... Hi! ^_^ I'm new to In Nomine (in fact, I just got the core rulebook today...) but I'm already a fan, and I decided to join up. So that this is more than 'yet another newbie', I'm also posting something I worked on in school a few days ago. Bonus points for recognizing all the vaguely-obscure references, massive bonus points if you know just *who* I mean with the last three lines. ^_^ It's a 'Dada' poem, if you're wondering about the strange style (looks better centered, but I don't know e-mail HTML.) Anyway, here it is. 'Weakly White' is my tentative name for it. C&C appreciated, too. ^_^ angel ascending, demon falling free daughters gently dying chain-bound fighting everyone flying they laugh outside; inside, crying it dances magic, sings word black wing, quietly passionate sword comedic he tempted bright she just weakly white ~Shadow Dragon "S.D." Ryukage (or whatever shortened version catches your fancy ^_^) http://fly.to/sd_nexus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ By a route obscure and lonely, Haunted by ill angels only, Where an Eidolon, named Night, On a black throne reigns upright, I have reached these lands but newly From an ultimate dim Thule-- From a wild clime that lieth, sublime, Out of space--out of time. 'Dreamland', Edgar Allen Poe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:50:03 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Newbie here... At 3:27 PM -0400 4/30/01, S.D. wrote: >strange style (looks better centered, but I don't know e-mail HTML.) Very _wise_ not to know e-mail HTML. HTML is banned on the list. Go, thou, and read the list rules... - --Beth, List Admin http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:39:14 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Wind Malakim way to cause Judgement pain "Are you doing anything questionable before Heaven's policies?" "I've taken an oath not to reveal that information." "*groan*" - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:45:34 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Wind Malakim way to cause Judgement pain >"Are you doing anything questionable before Heaven's policies?" > >"I've taken an oath not to reveal that information." > >"*groan*" Only works if its genuinely True. And if it is, then Judgement moves into *serious* higher-level investigations as to what, exactly, the Wind thinks its trying to get away with this time. And not all senior Windies are Malakim. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:48:42 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Wind Malakim way to cause Judgement pain From: "Charles Glasgow" > >"Are you doing anything questionable before Heaven's policies?" > > > >"I've taken an oath not to reveal that information." > > > >"*groan*" > > Only works if its genuinely True. And the next question would be "Why did you take an oath not to reveal that information?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:59:52 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> Newbie here... >>strange style (looks better centered, but I don't know e-mail HTML.) > >Very _wise_ not to know e-mail HTML. HTML is banned on the list. Go, thou, >and read the list rules... Oops. Forgot to check those...Thanks. ~S.D. Ryukage http://fly.to/sd_nexus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "There's a story. In the ancient days, there was only one person who could tell the king the truth without fear. The court jester." Ishido Usono/Joker, 'Arcana' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:55:31 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Wind Malakim way to cause Judgement pain - --On Monday, April 30, 2001 3:39 PM -0400 Charles Phipps wrote: > "Are you doing anything questionable before Heaven's policies?" > > "I've taken an oath not to reveal that information." > > "*groan*" > More like "Why did you feel the need to take that oath?", quickly followed by "Who instructed you to do so?" The swaggering machismo "I ain't tellin' you nuthin pig" approach might work against dirtside authorities, but against the Inquisition? Unless you've got yet another mcguffin up your sleeve that allows rebellion against Heaven without falling, cloak dissonance, brush aside all manner of powers at Dominic's considerable disposal (I bet it's coming next), and keep your superiors off your back once the neighborhood triad decides it needs to start asking them uncomfortable questions, that's merely a really good way of getting your forces dispersed. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("It's reeeeeal hard to look all suave and macho with two malakim kneeling on your wings.") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:55:52 -0700 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: Re: IN> Malakim and Falling Our spies report that at 03:40 PM 4/30/2001 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 3:21 PM -0400 4/28/01, Charles Phipps wrote: > > >Removed the Two top oaths from his celestial form? > > > >Would he then be able to fall? > >Depends on the GM; personally, unless this was some kind of Plot Device, >I'd say that those two oaths are what _make_ a Malakite a Malakite. So >if you remove them, you get something else that's not a Malakite (maybe >a reliever, maybe another Choir) -- or the Malakite simply unravels. Oops. In my theory, it isn't that those oaths make the Malakite, it is that the Malakite makes those oaths. Part of fledging Malakite is gaining a sense for honor and no normal celestial in touch with the symphony and possessing such a sense can restrain themselves from making the oaths. This is how I spin things in my game. Therefore, if you removed the oaths, the Malakite would simply swear them again immediately, assuming that Hell, Lucifer and all those things were still distorting the Symphony. The oaths are a reaction to being a Malakite, not the cause of it. That's my spin. Not supported by canon or anything. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:54:01 -0700 From: "Phillip" Subject: Re: IN> The case of the purloined kitten > No sense of humour is a prerequisite for writing IN. I'd beg to differ, myself. But then again I have skewed views on -everything-. Phillip, Angel of Reinventing The Wheel "The world... oh. This's been done before, hasn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:00:45 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> A plot problem >I have this Cherub of Stone who's going on an airplane trip and doesn't want >to be separated from his brass knuckles -- and they'll set off the metal >detector and are (I believe) illegal. Yes, he could send them through his >luggage, but he wants them to hand (as it were) in case he needs them. > >Suggestions? > >Janet Anderson Don't bother going through the metal detectors at all. Check in the baggage without the brass knucles -- have those in a pocket -- then leave the terminal. Go celestial in a quiet spot outside the terminal, enter a bathroom beyond the metal detector close to the gate, and rematerialize. William ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:01:44 -0700 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Malakim and Falling From: "Elizabeth McCoy" <> "Look what I've got! A Fallen Malakite!" "That's a Djinn, Baal." "Well, yes, but he was a Malakite until about five minutes before he Fell! Honest!" --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2192 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.