From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Jul 12 21:42:04 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25595 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:42:04 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id VAA08042 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:41:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:41:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200107130241.VAA08042@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2300 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, July 12 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2300 In this digest: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 9: The Rapture Re: IN> 101 Things to do with a prince of Infernal Fire Re: IN> An actual scene from a friend's campaign Re: IN> Ethereal Song of Forms Re: IN> 101 Things to do with a prince of Infernal Fire Re: IN> Hi IN> Word Friction Re: IN> Word Friction IN> High Stats Re: IN> Word Friction Re: IN> Word Friction IN> Prophecy IN> Belial the Destroyer Re: IN> 101 Things to do with a prince of Infernal Fire Re: IN> Belial the Destroyer Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" Re: IN> I feel fine... the Habbalah, on the other hand... 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Re: IN> 101 Things to do with a prince of Infernal Fire Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 9: The Rapture Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 9: The Rapture IN> Re: Scenes from your friends campaign IN> Re:Belial ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:04:56 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 9: The Rapture Would the Rapture be suddenly followed by vehicle collisions, planes falling from the sky, construction accidents, etc. or would the Hand of God(TM) be benevolent enough to lift people (and their corporeal forms) away when they're in safe positions? In one movie I saw on the subject back about 1978 or 1980, did just that. I don't remember the title. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:57:46 -0400 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> 101 Things to do with a prince of Infernal Fire Anthony Damiani writes: > > I've been meaning to ask about this for a while, as this is a > longstanding issue for me, prompted largely by Moe's pure and > unrelenting hatred of the DP of Fire. I don't hate him. I can't hate > him. I can't even bring myself to /care/ one way or the other about > Belial. I don't know how to use him in my games. He is said to not > embrace the metaphorical concepts of his words to any great extent-- > so what do his servitors do? Set fires? /All the time/? First, Look at his dissonance condition: it's dissonant if Belial's plans backfire. Second, look at his word: he embodies an elemental force of destruction. Third, look at how he dresses: elegant suits and flamethrowers. Put together this can only mean one thing: Belial is a mastermind, of the evil variety. He operates in a zone where none of his plans can fail, he desires the total savaging and destruction of reality, he goes one on one with a prophet who can channel the very voice of God, and he comes off even. Baal -- well, the Prince of the War has that whole Lost Cause and tragic obsession with honor. Vapula -- gadgets. Mindless vandalism -- Haagenti. Valefor -- stylish but inconsequential. Belial, he's the Prince you want to use when you have an elegant, even brilliant plan that is as brutal as it is radiant with diabolic genius. He knows he's an evil mastermind, and he /likes/ it: "Ah, an angel of Judgment. How charming. Shall we play out the scene where the evil mastermind shows off his art collection while his henchmen beat up the hero?" "No? Too bad. This is a Mondrian." "This is a Seurat." "This is my Kupka. How he divides space contrasts nicely with the unity of the Mondrian, don't you think?" Blow things up: yes. Do it with verve, style, and brilliance: definitely. Do it in a way that angels grow white-hot with hate and swear eternal vengeance: is there any other way? - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:55:13 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> An actual scene from a friend's campaign That was Great! Nice touches and concept. Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:07:28 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal Song of Forms At 2:40 AM +0000 7/12/01, Janet Anderson wrote: >1. Does the Ethereal Song of Forms make you invisible to cameras, >surveillance devices, electric eyes, etc. as well as perception? I would say it makes the person... "nearly invisible," just as for regular viewing. If you make your Perception roll at the photo, then there's a vaguely being-shaped blur somewhere. Probably a trick of the light... O:> I would probably, if I had to, personally, rule that the Eth Song of Form doesn't let you pass those fun security systems where things happen if you break the laser beam. On the plus side, you won't get squashed by garage doors closing on you... (Eth Form doesn't make you _invisible_, see. Just... unseeable.) The last two paragraphs probably do not need to be made canon, but it's my reasoning on the subject. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:07:32 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> 101 Things to do with a prince of Infernal Fire I dunno if I can help much, but the "Mary, Mother of God, is Missing" logs from http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~rsean/gaming/ had some amusing stuff regarding Fire (and Fire, and the Habbalah who have trouble telling the difference)... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:07:30 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Hi At 6:26 AM -0700 7/12/01, Michael Walton wrote: >--- A C wrote: >> In the Angelic Player Guide it seems that Yves' >> Seraph is able to >> detect true name of Celestial when Seraph touches it. > > Yup, that's exactly what happens. Yes, this gives >Seraphim of Destiny a way to detect demons. That's why >demons don't shake hands when they know they're dealing >with a Seraph of Destiny. [...] And there _are_ (almost certainly) some deep-cover celestials, created for the Roles they are meant to have, who have mundane names... (It also helps foil Mercurians.) Lilim get ecclectic names, for instance, and other demons might be named whatever the Princely creator wants. "John Smith," even... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:06:52 -0600 From: "Chris Holland" Subject: IN> Word Friction There is several areas of information on the word friction between Gabriel and Belial. If you'll notice there is another case of superior word friction: Michael and Baal. They both have War as their Word. Kind of makes you wonder about their actions, doesn't it. Chris _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:16:10 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Word Friction > If you'll notice there is another case of superior word friction: Michael and > Baal. They both have War as their Word. Kind of makes you wonder about their > actions, doesn't it. Actually, Michael is "War" and Baal is "The War." Slight difference which is probably why they aren't crazed right now. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:17:03 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> High Stats My personal rule is a human beings stats should only go up to 8 naturally, it increases the difference between angels and mortals. Mortals with 10s are those who have somehow recieved divine strength due to heritage or gifts from the Angelic. For instance Hercules or Cu Chullidan or say Lilith in this case. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:26:39 -0500 From: "Erich S. Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> Word Friction > There is several areas of information on the word friction between Gabriel > and Belial. If you'll notice there is another case of superior word > friction: Michael and Baal. They both have War as their Word. Kind of > makes you wonder about their actions, doesn't it. Actually, canon-wise (I think this was covered in Superiors I, but I'm not 100% on that) Michael and Baal's Words are a bit different. Micheal's Word is "War", while Baal's word is "the War." Essentially, Baal's Word only covers the war that is on between Heaven and Hell. Coridally, Erich S. Arendall "How now brown cow?" - -Yet another insipid quote from Ronald, Djinn Prince of Cows (with apologies to Moe Lane) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:25:53 -0600 From: "Chris Holland" Subject: Re: IN> Word Friction >>If you'll notice there is another case of superior word friction: >>Michael and Baal. They both have War as their Word. Kind of makes >>you wonder about their actions, doesn't it. > > Actually, Michael is "War" and Baal is "The War." Slight >difference which is probably why they aren't crazed right now. Word wise, I guess that does make sense. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:29:59 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Prophecy I did.... Basically in this version of In Nomine Gabriel recieves the "final revelation" sometime around Muhammed or whenever really you want it to happen in which Gabriel immediately ditches her hot babe persona for Christopher Walken. The final revelation I've toyed with but basically summed up as this... "Humans alone are blessed with the higher heavens and all angels destroyed in the War shall remain damned." Or something like that but Gabriel with his followers and a great deal of those who were disastified to begin with in Laurence's service, Eli's, and even Janus and Novalis's transform into the Second Rebellion where under Gabriel's rulership they fight for the ultimate destruction of the human race in order to MAKE god restore the dead or whatever Gabriel's yapping about. Michael of course picks up the slack for the thousands of fallen angels fighting as the Outcast army hates demons just as much as it always did it becomes a three way war. Yves also makes a very difficult decision and to spare humanity the horrors of the bloodbath heaven has become...FORBIDS the traffic of souls from mortality to the Heavens in which they basically remain stuck inside their present forms. Gabriel as the Archangel of Fire is also the Messanger of God and starts passing out the Zombie attunement to his followers...however these undead are quite alive.... The Dark Soul is the first of Gabriel's truly insideous plans as they are predicted Evil souls which can escape Hell because of their Will and Yves's decree...or perhaps Gods.....in effect the First Infernal Saints which can supply Gabriel with an army of Heavenly spirits to attack and destroy Michael's forces.... That fails. Michael then gets a Prophecy from Yves which says the redemption of humanity shall occur with the force of Nephilim Archangel who shall unite human and angelic spirits.....Michael having no reason to trust Yves but even less so to avoid trusting him decides to send a Mercurian with the Song of Creation to do so....a very SPECIAL song of creation. Gabriel and his rebels seek the death of this chosen messiah as he recieves still words from God... and fails. He is transformed into a human being by divine decree from God (a divine intervention) Gabriel's Angel of Genocide (for the destruction of Sodom and Gammorah, the Slaying of First Born, etc) and the new holder of the Word of Spies (Nisroc dead) pick up the slack but the war in Heaven is dying down as Gabriel discovers the joys of mortality and with the Nephilim defeating Pyriel Humanity and Angel hood have transfersed the essential nature of Human to Divine and Divine to Mortal... gabriel ascends to the Heavens as an Archangel anew as all the dead Angels of good are allowed into the Higher Heavens again and the other rebels fall to their doom with Pyriel (now a Habbalah since only an Elohim can handle the word of Mass Murder of entire Groups) Good for a campaign I think. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:36:49 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Belial the Destroyer Belial I've always thought was in effect a pyro-maniac but he recognized he was not Saminga and that if humanity was going to KEEP setting fires then it would had to keep existing. Belial in my mind was always the man who wanted to destroy and that was the goal for it's own sake but it was 1984 "HATE IS AS EVER LASTING AS LOVE" type of destruction. He wants a nuclear war but he wants millions of survivors killing each other and eventually rebuilding so they can nuke each other again. He wants a war like in 1984-a war that never ends with equal numbers of births and deaths for all eternity. "Do you expect me to talk?" "NO MISTER BOND I EXPECT YOU TO DIE!" Recognize Belial is a genius and spawned the Demogorgon, Fufur, and is the only Demon Prince to ever kill an Archangel and survive to tell the tail. Belial is the guy who was firmly behind Hitler and his death camps yet also was behind the allies and their Manhatten Prodject.....the THREAT of nuclear destruction was as pleasing to Belial as the actual act of it. The smell and fear of his word just before it's savoring it. Belial is working to his world of burning flames and doom but he's very patient and ENJOYING every minute of it til then. Savoring Gabirle's madness even as he looks at Baal and Saminga and gloats....who is manipulating who? - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:47:13 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> 101 Things to do with a prince of Infernal Fire From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" > > Belial, he's the Prince you want to use when you have an elegant, > even brilliant plan that is as brutal as it is radiant with diabolic > genius. He knows he's an evil mastermind, and he /likes/ it: That was beautiful, Neel. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:05:34 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Belial the Destroyer By the way, if Word-friction has driven Gabriel nuts, shouldn't Belial be nuts, too? Of course, it might not give him the same level of conflict it gives an angel... Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:06:34 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" By the way, there will be no "And I Feel Fine" installment tomorrow, since I'll be away. It'll resume Monday. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:07:59 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> I feel fine... the Habbalah, on the other hand... Gotta concur with Moe on this one. NYA-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAAA!!!!! William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:15:55 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 9: The Rapture "Erich S. Arendall" wrote: > Would the Rapture be suddenly followed by vehicle collisions, planes falling> from the sky, construction accidents, etc. or would the Hand of God(TM) be> benevolent enough to lift people (and their corporeal forms) away when> they're in safe positions? People who actually believe in the Rapture seem fascinated by those possibilities as well (hence the bumper stickers saying "Warning: In case of Rapture, this car will be unoccupied"). - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:11:55 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> 101 Things to do with a prince of Infernal Fire Oh, this is very well done. I LIKE it! I too have had a problem with how to use Belial, but you not only solved that, but how to use some of the others I liked, but couldn't immediately see how to use, like Haagenti. Plus, with the thought of the mastermind and using Fufur as the DP of destruction, I can see an interesting play between the two as Fufur comes in wild and chaotic while Belial comes in smooth and sophisticated. Both comes in with guns blazing, but two different styles. Thanks! Jeffery >From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: "'in_nomine-l@lists.io.com'" >Subject: Re: IN> 101 Things to do with a prince of Infernal Fire >Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:57:46 -0400 > >Anthony Damiani writes: > > > > I've been meaning to ask about this for a while, as this is a > > longstanding issue for me, prompted largely by Moe's pure and > > unrelenting hatred of the DP of Fire. I don't hate him. I can't hate > > him. I can't even bring myself to /care/ one way or the other about > > Belial. I don't know how to use him in my games. He is said to not > > embrace the metaphorical concepts of his words to any great extent-- > > so what do his servitors do? Set fires? /All the time/? > >First, Look at his dissonance condition: it's dissonant if Belial's >plans backfire. Second, look at his word: he embodies an elemental >force of destruction. Third, look at how he dresses: elegant suits >and flamethrowers. > >Put together this can only mean one thing: Belial is a mastermind, of >the evil variety. He operates in a zone where none of his plans can >fail, he desires the total savaging and destruction of reality, he >goes one on one with a prophet who can channel the very voice of God, >and he comes off even. > >Baal -- well, the Prince of the War has that whole Lost Cause and >tragic obsession with honor. Vapula -- gadgets. Mindless vandalism -- >Haagenti. Valefor -- stylish but inconsequential. > >Belial, he's the Prince you want to use when you have an elegant, >even brilliant plan that is as brutal as it is radiant with diabolic >genius. He knows he's an evil mastermind, and he /likes/ it: > > "Ah, an angel of Judgment. How charming. Shall we play out the > scene where the evil mastermind shows off his art collection while > his henchmen beat up the hero?" > > "No? Too bad. This is a Mondrian." > > "This is a Seurat." > > "This is my Kupka. How he divides space contrasts nicely with the > unity of the Mondrian, don't you think?" > >Blow things up: yes. Do it with verve, style, and brilliance: >definitely. Do it in a way that angels grow white-hot with hate and >swear eternal vengeance: is there any other way? > >-- >Neel Krishnaswami >neelk@cswcasa.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:32:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> I feel fine... the Habbalah, on the other hand... That. Is. Utterly. And. Completely. WRONG. Lord, I wish I'd written it. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:38:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 9: The Rapture - --- Jeffery Watkins wrote: > In one movie I saw on the subject back about 1978 or > 1980, did just that. I > don't remember the title. Perhaps the film you're thinking of is "Like a Thief in the Night," one of the early cinematic treatments of the Rapture. If memory serves, it was released circa 1980. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:47:01 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> Belial the Destroyer >By the way, if Word-friction has driven Gabriel nuts, >shouldn't Belial be nuts, too? Of course, it might not >give him the same level of conflict it gives an angel... The way I see it, the friction is being 'shunted' away from Belial and towards Gabriel. Or something. In other words, they'd both be insane to a lesser degree, except something's arranging to make Gabriel twice as insane as she otherwise would be. Hrm. Just had another idea: Belial is the only Calabite without Discord. Instead, he uses the 'cracks' in his Symphony caused by Word-friction to utilize his resonance, and as (IMO) the 'ultimate' Calabite (read: embodiment of destruction, a la Zadkiel for Cherubim) he's used the resonance enough to adjust to it. Like other Calabim, who 'adjust' to the constant presence of Discord well enough that they don't Redeem more than any other Band (remember, Discord for demons represents fractures in their personal Symphony), Belial has adjusted to the constant presence of Word-friction well enough that he doesn't go mad. Gabriel, on the other hand, has had her problems compounded by various Archangels, not to mention the fact that her 'Smiting the Cruel' diss. conditions are likely screaming at her due to Belial's continued existance. (Granted, her AA status means she can ignore the cruel for *quite* a while without getting dissonant, but that doesn't mean she *likes* it.) And Ofanim do not *get* 'cracked personal Symphonies'; they simply have problems hearing the *true* Symphony. So she cannot adjust, nor can she use the friction to her advantage. Just a theory or two. ^_^ ~S.D. Ryukage http://fly.to/sd_nexus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Remember, kids, if someone asks you to summon a demon--" "--keep a chaingun handy." Jon Tate and Harley Quinn Parker (complete with smoking chaingun), 'Bring the Noise' RPG (This was actually from a Mage: the Ascension game. But can't you just *see* two Malakim of Children saying this? ^_^ Or possibly a Malakite of Children and an angel of the War faction.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Belial the Destroyer - --- "S.D." wrote: > The way I see it, the friction is being 'shunted' away > from Belial and towards Gabriel. Or something. In other > words, they'd both be insane to a lesser degree, except > something's arranging to make Gabriel twice as insane as > she otherwise would be. Another possibility; Belial's nutty as a squirrel. The fact that he's a Calabite with a useful form of madness just covers it up. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Fall down seven times, get up eight." - -- Japanese proverb __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:14:08 -0400 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 9: The Rapture Perhaps the film you're thinking of is "Like a Thief in >the Night," one of the early cinematic treatments of the >Rapture. If memory serves, it was released circa 1980. That could be it. It certainly strikes a cord of memory (no pun intended). Jeffery _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:35:22 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Belial the Destroyer >By the way, if Word-friction has driven Gabriel nuts, >shouldn't Belial be nuts, too? Of course, it might not >give him the same level of conflict it gives an angel... > >Earl The tension is rather like that of a boor and a sophisticate in the same room. The sophisticate merely confuses the boor with her insistence on what the boor thinks are "useless" manners, while the boor downright *infuriates* the sophisticate by actively refusing to get it. Not that she can *show* it without losing her sophistication, which just makes things worse -- for her. The boor doesn't even notice. Likewise Gabriel with Belial. The more empathetic Gabriel hears Belial far more than the self-centered Belial hears Gabriel. Gabriel only really irks Belial when she inhibits his ability to burn things right. Belial cuts at Gabriel through the metaphorical aspects of her Word by being cruel, and he does it continuously. But to face Belial, and win without destroying herself in the process, she'd have to be stable enough to do it without giving in to the urge to be cruel to him... but she can't count on that, because she knows she's unstable... because she's having to repress this overwhelming urge... because she knows she's unstable... because.... William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:50:26 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: Re: IN> 101 Things to do with a prince of Infernal Fire Y'know, that reminds me ... At one point, I did say that I was going to get Moe to like Belial. Admittedly, I was never very sure about _how_, but the gumption is still there. I'm with you, there is simply no good reason for Moe to despise the Demon Prince of Fire with the unending passion that he does. I mean, simple distaste is one thing, but killing the poor Calabite in _every_single_ heresy he writes? Even Gabby herself wouldn't stoop to such extremes. Something must be done to rectify this. As a step in the right direction, I offer ... THE TOP 10 THINGS MOE COULD DO WITH BELIAL (hey, I'd do 101, but that's an awful lot, maybe you guys can give me a hand after the first few) 10. Sick him on SJ and get the EPG printed. 9. Make s'mores. 8. Sick him on me and get the Tattered Symphony Netbook up. 7. Barbecue. 6. Sick him on EDG to update the In Nomine Collection. 5. Sing campfire songs. 4. Sick him on Khalid, causing an act of God that changes the Archangel's freaking choir 3. Burn copies of the APG 2. Sick him on gamers everywhere, forcing them to buy massive amounts of IN products 1. Leave the poor bastard alone. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:59:56 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> 101 Things to do with a prince of Infernal Fire From: "Jonathan Walton" > > I'm with you, there is simply no good reason for Moe to > despise the Demon Prince of Fire with the unending passion that he does. I > mean, simple distaste is one thing, but killing the poor Calabite in > _every_single_ heresy he writes? Not *every* heresy - I beat him to it in "Tattered," while making him heroic to boot. :;:) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:17:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> 101 Things to do with a prince of Infernal Fire - --- Jonathan Walton wrote: > Y'know, that reminds me ... > > At one point, I did say that I was going to get Moe > to like > Belial. Admittedly, I was never very sure about > _how_, but the gumption is > still there. Bring it on. > I'm with you, there is simply no good > reason for Moe to > despise the Demon Prince of Fire with the unending > passion that he does. It's that damned Word. Destruction would have been fine; Carnage would have been accepted with nary a wobble. I could even have swallowed, say, _Infernal_ Fire, if Heaven's reactions were handled differently. I mean, for God's _sake_ sitting by and letting Gabbie go slowly mad from constant spiritual torture is in direct violation of Larry's code of honor and Nikki's FRAGGING DISSONANCE CONDITIONS. And yet, they do nothing, 'cuz they were written that way for ... well, I have my dark suspicions about *that*, but I'm already ranting enough as it is. Besides, I haven't killed Belial in at *least* a month. That's /good/, for me. :) Moe PS Nice list, btw. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 06/05/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:31:27 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Adventure Seed: Kronos's crucible Every so often the universe develops a sense of humor or a sense of biting hatred that forces a choice between good and evil which will once taken down forever dominate a person's destiny and fate. That moment has come for the being who is the very essence of fate. Ironically in the form of a 23 year old researcher from Los Angeles. Johnathan Peebles is a pathologist experimenting with an innoculation for the Black Death because some big wigs in the CDC are afraid that there might be an upswing in such nonsense. Johnathan however is also an Apcolypse nut and a bit of a geek so that he's always wanted to know if he could create the perfect virus which he's thinking about doing so for "the hell of it". Yesterday Johnathan was scanned by a passing servitor of Destiny who recorded Johnathan will either wipe out all of humanity as his fate or save it all. Instead of killing him where he stood (the man was a Mercurian after all) he immediately summoned Yves who smiled. Yves has decided to do nothing but allow Kronos to know. Yves is doing a catch-22 in an attempt to force Kronos to choose between his savage love of evil (and going against his dissonance condition) and stop the destruction or allow Fate and Destiny itself to die as humanity is destroyed and countless beings are sent into....wherever one goes when reincarnation isn't an option. Yves is fairly confident Kronos will blink first. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:53:56 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Humorous Apcolypse seed Well Armageddon was off to a great start.... City emptied all the children of Heaven? Gotcha in spades Holiest Man on Earth slain by hands not mortal? Several times by Baal's agents just to make sure, heck they're still doing it! Mortal Tyrant harvest a million souls? Yep...several doing plenty Great Evil Breaks it's bonds? Oh yeah, everyone had several just for the occasion. Basically the Trumpets were blaring all over the place when someone screwed up somewhere down below. Now Lucifer had personally thought he'd picked a winner. The man had grown up in a Romanian orphanage run by a sadistic priest who had done every concievable evil to the young lad and his friends and made them like it. The boy had been visited by Lucifer himself plenty of times and been given everything he could possibly want from helping people to hurting them in such ways as to make himself feel good about it. His forces were out the wazoo, Lilim girlfriend, and all of Hell had placed him in charge of the world.... Then LILITH's geas to Lucifer for making her a Princess finally frigging ran out. Well the "Whore of Babylon" as she had been oh so politely turned decided to live up to her word of Freedom by A:) Freeing herself from an unpleasant fate at the devouring Ten Kings of Hell....and B:) Free the Antichrist from the same bonds of destiny and evil that she had suffered. Calling in a few more geas Lilith has shown the Anti-Christ if not the error of his ways enough temptation in the Garden to make him question a few of his fundemental loyalties to evil given he'll end up bad off and the fact that Lucifer really isn't going to end up all that happy even if he did win....nor will on some level the human race that the AC on some level just can't shake a loyalty to. Someone suspects Kobal's involvement here somewhere as well but let's not give the man too much credit. Angelic PCs: The Archangels themselves are fairly....uncomfortable with this manifestation of human free will here and while some such as Michael, Khalid, and Laurence are certain the Anti-Christ's moment of grace is just fleeting or some trap there are others like Novalis and Yves who would like to see this gone through.... but right now the order is pretty much a unanimous FIND THE @&@(@*@@*&@! Demonic PCs: Lucifer seems to be having a bad reaction to the Anti-Christ's doubst and has returned to his dark....well that's no longer there so he just went to Los Angeles and is taking no phone calls until this is over. Kronos has basically ordered every last stinking one of his fellows off their present assignment to find him while Baal, Belial, and others are on some level hearted by this news...it means his doom and Hell's is not set in stone. Kobal as expected is laughing.......... - -Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:47:20 -0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 9: The Rapture >Perhaps the film you're thinking of is "Like a Thief in >the Night," one of the early cinematic treatments of the >Rapture. If memory serves, it was released circa 1980. Yes, memory serves. I saw it when it was new. (I felt sorry for the people in the suddenly pilotless airplane, too.) Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:11:13 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> 101 Things to do with a prince of Infernal Fire > FRAGGING DISSONANCE CONDITIONS. And yet, they do > nothing, 'cuz they were written that way for ... well, > I have my dark suspicions about *that*, but I'm > already ranting enough as it is. Chainsaw campaign settings are wonderful for rectifying things like this, yes? ;) > Besides, I haven't killed Belial in at *least* a > month. That's /good/, for me. Why do I have this sudden image of Belial in an orange parka? ;) - -- Casca ("He killed Belial! YOU BASTARD!!!") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:03:46 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: 8th Virtue shirt > > If > > you *are* thinking about doing a design or two > > in-house, the one I > > definitely want is still "I'm the / ANGEL / the / > > DEVIL / warned you > > about", with "The 8th Virtue / Malakim Choir Glyph > > / Malakite > > Convention 2001" on the back. > >I want this one, too. And another order. I'd vote for dropping the 2001 date though, and just making it look like a standard bar shirt. Who knows how many years from now I'll be wearing this thing (or how many years it will take to get it printed)? Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:28:15 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 9: The Rapture By the way, seeing as how the archives are down for the time being, I HOPE someone is collecting these.... - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:23:11 -0700 From: Vaughn Romero Subject: IN> Truth is stranger than fiction... Hey everybody! Check out this bit of news: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010712/od/gnomes_dc_2.html *That* is an adventure seed *begging* to be made. At a minimum, I think the next Iron Rev needs to contain the word 'garden gnome'. I'd also vote the word 'sock puppet' but 'disco' might be a better choice for this group based on our last round of voting. Vaughn, these days it seems everybody is in a Band. - - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - "If a Bright IN campaign describes things better than they are, and a Dark IN campaign decribes things worse than they are, then a Humorous IN Nomine campaign must describe things exactly as they are." -- when Ambrose Bierce plays In Nomine. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:30:26 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> 101 Things to do with a prince of Infernal Fire >Besides, I haven't killed Belial in at *least* a >month. That's /good/, for me. > >:) > >Moe Oh, yeah... reminds me of a dedication I forgot. Moe: the sample game in the draft IN CCG rules I posted? All for you, man. :^) (Yeah, Gabriel loses her Tether -- but she's *this* close to winning the game, too. ;^) ) William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:32:09 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 9: The Rapture >By the way, seeing as how the archives are down for the time being, I >HOPE someone is collecting these.... > >-David I am, though surely Earl himself has them all. If you need them sent somewhere, drop me a line. William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:33:11 -0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> "And I Feel Fine" - Part 9: The Rapture > >By the way, seeing as how the archives are down for the time being, I > >HOPE someone is collecting these.... > > I've got them all. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:18:20 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re: Scenes from your friends campaign > Succubus: More worlds but...won't we lose again? > > Lucifer: Yes...and again...and again...forever. However there will always be > another world....and more power. > > *The succubus smiles and looks at Lucifer knowing perhaps someday she might > take his mantle with such an endless stream of defeats for him* > > Lucifer: yes...perhaps > > - -Charlie AAAAH! [runs screaming]. That's a brilliant use for a multiverse! James. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:31:06 +1100 From: "james walker" Subject: IN> Re:Belial > I can't even bring myself > to /care/ one way or the other about Belial. I don't know how to use him in > my games. He is said to not embrace the metaphorical concepts of his words > to any great extent-- so what do his servitors do? Set fires? /All the time/? > For dangerous savvy violence and villainy there's Baal. For destruction > for destruction's sake I have Furfur and the entire band of Calabim. Yes, but Furfur is NEW. He's taking over Belial's role - and quite deliberately, as he hates the guy. So if you don't how to use Belial, have his minions rushing around desperately trying to prove they aren't has-beens. if nothing else, Belial's powerbase will have been fading as the fire-bombings of WWII & general napalming of last century fade from peoples memory, so even if he doesn't disappear completely, this is quite believable. And an interesting clash to consider: the Word of Arson. Furfur will want it - a lot. Does the demon jump ship? Get kidnapped? Killed? tricked into giving rites to Demons of Hardcore, who threaten to use them against him unless he changes sides? Get assigned guards by Belial so that he's secure/controlled? Hope this helps a bit, James. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2300 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.