in_nomine-digest Wednesday, July 3 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2693 In this digest: Re: IN> Non-canon Plot seed.... Re: IN> New Heresy Re: IN> New Heresy Re: IN> New Heresy Re: IN> New Heresy Re: IN> New Heresy Re: IN> Non-canon Plot seed.... Re: IN> The Ruiners Re: IN> New Heresy IN> Libertarian Sewer Flukes Re: IN> The Ruiners Re: IN> Libertarian Sewer Flukes Re: IN> The Ruiners Re: IN> Non-canon Plot seed.... Re: IN> New Heresy Re: IN> Non-canon Plot seed.... IN> It is convenient. Re: IN> The Ruiners IN> The Angel of Canon Re: IN> The Ruiners Re: IN> It is convenient. Re: IN> It is convenient. Re: IN> The Ruiners ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:45:33 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Non-canon Plot seed.... >From: Kanako Otaku >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: In Nomine List >Subject: IN> Non-canon Plot seed.... >Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:35:02 -0700 (PDT) > > >[ KICK THE CANON!!! KICK THE CANON!!! KICK THE >CANON!!! ] > >"Army In The Marches" Allow me to point you at the Superior Soap opera...;) Kamika-Z, who KNOWS synchronocity is a biznatch... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:08:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Pedersen Subject: Re: IN> New Heresy - --- Kish wrote: > Kelly Pedersen wrote: [snip] > > As I understand > it, > > the Mercurian dissonance condition is violence > against > > anything _except_ demons, not violence against > only > > humans. > > No. It's just humans. The original printing of IN > was vaguer than that > (vague, or explicitly said "anything except > demons"--I can't remember > which offhand), but that was erratad. Ah, that would explain it, given that I have the first printing. OTOH, I kinda like the "no violence except against demons". Does the new condition include undead in the non-violence category, or exclude them? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:38:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New Heresy - --- Kelly Pedersen wrote: > As I understand it, > the Mercurian dissonance condition is violence against > anything _except_ demons, not violence against only > humans. I was given to understand that Mercurians couldn't use violence as a first resort, nor could they kill. They can still use force to defend themselves, but they have to leave the wetwork to others. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 22:33:08 -0400 From: Michael Nutt Subject: Re: IN> New Heresy > --- Kelly Pedersen wrote: > > As I understand it, > > the Mercurian dissonance condition is violence against > > anything _except_ demons, not violence against only > > humans. > > I was given to understand that Mercurians couldn't use > violence as a first resort, nor could they kill. They can > still use force to defend themselves, but they have to > leave the wetwork to others. >From the Errata found at http://www.sjgames.com/sjgames/in-nomine/errata/in-nomine.html "P. 104. Change the first two sentences under Dissonance to: "Mercurians cannot be violent toward humans. Violence is the antethesis [sic] of politics, the dampener of reason." - -- Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:27:07 -0700 From: Kish Subject: Re: IN> New Heresy Michael Walton wrote: > > --- Kelly Pedersen wrote: > > As I understand it, > > the Mercurian dissonance condition is violence against > > anything _except_ demons, not violence against only > > humans. > > I was given to understand that Mercurians couldn't use > violence as a first resort, nor could they kill. They can > still use force to defend themselves, but they have to > leave the wetwork to others. No. No violence against humans, period. But just against humans. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:53:37 -0700 From: Vaughn Romero Subject: Re: IN> New Heresy Well since no one else has taken the role, I'll play the devil's advocate (in a suitably Habbalite fashion, naturally). 1. First, some mechanics quibbles: > Mercurian > Mercurians of the Sword can determine a human's strengths > and weaknesses: he or she will automatically be able to > identify the human's best skill, and can determine > Disadvantages on a Perception roll. This choir resonance seems like a copy of Eli's Seraphim resonance to me, only... a. It's automatic for the advantages, and b. Requires a perception for the disadvantages. c. This makes it seem (to me) both too powerful and too redundant. 2. Since the Mercurian resonance appears to be the core of your write up, I'm guessing that your new and improved Laurence should really have been the Archangel of the Tool and not of the Sword, as in "Best Tool for the Job." Why would he have petitioned for the word of the sword originally? I don't see a compelling reason for him to have done so. This guys seems more plowshare than sword to me. Explain if you will. 3. This version of Laurence seems like a thinly-veiled version of, or replacement for, Eli as an ass-kicker. In fact, I think it reads better as a "What-would-Eli-do-with-the-word-of-the-Sword" write-up. 4. Wait? Laurence can now Fall, but you have no plot hooks exploiting that fact? C'mon, he'd be even more Lilim fodder as a fallible and Fall-able Mercurian - or maybe not as he is now an obtainable object of lust, which ruins the fantasy somewhat I'm sure. 5. What? No Infernal opinions of Lars. Bummer, I'd love to read 'em. Vaughn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:56:57 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Non-canon Plot seed.... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kanako Otaku" To: "In Nomine List" Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 7:35 PM Subject: IN> Non-canon Plot seed.... > A *VERY* non-canon plot seed Are the Archangel personalities also part of the non-canon elements, or are those just the setting? If door #1, then ignore the rest of my e-mail. [snip] > Dominic would also love to jump at the chance to remove > her, Michael too, unless Yves says something, which Lilith > can't count on. And if Heaven chooses not I disagree with the above. First off, Michael is the only Archangel who *doesn't* take Yves' word for it. Michael will agree with Yves only if he can see the necessity for himself -- he doesn't trust the enigmatic old sage, and hasn't ever since the whole big whoopsie with Gabriel, Yves, and the dictating of the Koran. And second off, and more importantly, Michael would be the first Superior in line to give shelter to a renegade Lilith -- both from Hell and, if necessary, from Judgement. Michael is a pragmatist -- and pragmatically speaking, a Renegade Lilith is worth a *lot* more alive than dead. Even alive and free than dead. For one thing, dead Liliths tell no tales, whereas live ones can potentially be downright garrulous. Lilith is an absolute fountain of information -- and is an extremely mercenary trader. Michael *loves* getting his hands on inside information. Good reconaissance and good intelligence are sine qua non to good warfighting. And trading useful things to know in return for comfortable and obscure places to duck the notice of the Game is well within Lilith's personality range, especially if she's already decided to go Renegade. And Michael has some very nice safe houses, sneaky old bastard that he is. For another thing, blowing the head off the first demonic Superior to go Renegade in over a millennium is a great way to ensure that you won't see any more of them go Renegade for eons. Letting the idea get around that going Renegade only condemns you to a swift, ugly death by *both* sides shooting at you is a really counter-productive thing for Heaven. Especially at the Superior level. The Firstborn is not, contrary to popular belief, into mindless violence. He is into great heaping gobs of violence, yes -- absolutely staggering amounts of it. But it's pragmatically planned and carefully executed violence. You don't get to be the greatest warrior in the Symphony, as well as the oldest angel in all of creation, without learning both patience and foresight. - -- Chuckg "Ineffective, unfocused violence leads to more violence. Limp, panicky, half measures lead to more violence. However, complete, fully-thought-through, professional, well-executed violence never leads to more violence -- because, you see, afterwards the other guys are all dead." - -- General Richard E. Hawley, USAF (ret.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 00:48:09 -0400 From: Michael Nutt Subject: Re: IN> The Ruiners I don't like the idea of this group, personally. I can see the tactic being useful in limited doses, but it doesn't hold up all that well in the long run, especially when demons fight back. Yes, you can hose someone's reputation for a while... but what happens when he countersues? What happens when your carefully manufactured evidence gets ruined via Theft-demons, or just Balseraphs spining lies? Let's see how a Ruiners attack might go... Child porn is found on the target's computer, and target gets arrested. He uses his one phone call to call his acquaintance, Lisa the Lilim, who then gets her pal Billy the Balseraph involved in destroying the evidence. Subject walks, and then sues the hind legs off everyone involved in getting him arrested, or targets them for a visit from a squad of demons holding a serious grudge. Let's not even ask how the incriminating data gets on the subject's computer, or how a warrant gets issued for the subject. This is an awful lot of work -- why not just shoot him? Or for the other suggestion you mentioned, involving a Body Bag and a spare freshly-killed vessel secreted in a demon's domicile... If the police come knocking while the demon is at home (and why hasn't the demon noticed a dead body in his house and done something about it?), what happens if he says, "You can't come in without a warrant"? If he's not there, how do you pin it on him conclusively, especially since he really and truly didn't commit the crime? What happens when there's no evidence (besides the hard-to-explain corpse) to build a case? It's hard to work out a solid frame, as all the introduced false evidence will have to be consistent, and not get ruined by demonic counterattack. Imagine what a Theft demon with Swipe, the Celestial Song of Form, and/or the Celestial Song of Motion can do to a chain of evidence. If your frame falls through, you've ruined the prosecutor's life, and won't *that* be a nice story in the Sunday paper, not to mention making you any number of enemies at the local Destiny Tether? But what about the media exposure, you ask? Sure, maybe it costs some demon a Role, as the temporary glare of the spotlight foils his current plans, or some poor Hellsworn eats a gun barrel. What happens to the poor reporter who gets fired for breaking a story that cost the paper millions in libel-suit damages? What happens when the paper has to go into debt to pay off the judgment, and then gets bought out by a Media conglomerate? What happens when servitors of the Media downplay the story, choosing instead to focus on witch-hunts, and servitors of Freedom work to clear the wrongly accused? It's a short-term attack, and it isn't especially subtle. It's reminiscent of a drive-by shooting. This gets into campaign issues, and each game needs to have some kind of justification for why both sides are being subtle, and what limits are allowed. If a "Ruiners"-type scenario would be possible for either side to use, what's to stop them from simply sending assassination teams after anyone identified from the other side? How many Calabim with a Will of 12 does it take to assassinate anyone that Hell wants to get rid of? Some people choose to say that Dominic and Asmodeus are enforcing the "cold war"; I like to think that it's actually Yves and Kronos reining in their respective sides for fear of warping the progress towards Fates and Destinies. This lets you actually play celestials as taking the long view and working toward their own goals. It's another reason why I'm not too crazy about the typical RPG scenarion of "You're a motley group of a half-dozen or so angels thrown together to stop some fiendish plot"... I think the mechanics of the game, as well as the sense of drama, work out better when you work towards being subtle instead of solving problems via the brute-force approach. Then again, I'm hardly in position to pronounce canon. - -- Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:43:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> New Heresy - --- Vaughn Romero wrote: > Well since no one else has taken the role, I'll play > the devil's advocate > (in a suitably Habbalite fashion, naturally). No problem. :) > 1. First, some mechanics quibbles: > > > Mercurian > > Mercurians of the Sword can determine a human's > strengths > > and weaknesses: he or she will automatically be > able to > > identify the human's best skill, and can determine > > Disadvantages on a Perception roll. > > This choir resonance seems like a copy of Eli's > Seraphim resonance to me, Not quite: Eli can tell you how good somebody is at something; Larry can only tell you what that somebody is best at. Not _quite_ the same; Eli's ability is better, which is why the average 3 Celestial Force Merc of the Sword also gets a 50% chance to detect Disads. :) > only... > a. It's automatic for the advantages, and > b. Requires a perception for the disadvantages. > c. This makes it seem (to me) both too powerful > and too redundant. A judgement call, I'd say. > 2. Since the Mercurian resonance appears to be the > core of your write up, > I'm guessing that your new and improved Laurence > should really have been the > Archangel of the Tool and not of the Sword, as in > "Best Tool for the Job." > Why would he have petitioned for the word of the > sword originally? For the same reasons that canonical Laurence did: it fit his personality and goals (which probably did not include, 'become an Archangel'). Besides, there's just too many bad jokes that could be made about an Archangel of the Tool. :) > > I don't > see a compelling reason for him to have done so. > This guys seems more > plowshare than sword to me. Explain if you will. Nope, he's still War Faction. He just doesn't like it when humans die, so he's a tad less likely to treat all problems as nails. But any peace that breaks out is going to be on _his_ terms, and those terms don't recognize the concept 'live and let live' when it comes to demons. > 3. This version of Laurence seems like a > thinly-veiled version of, or > replacement for, Eli as an ass-kicker. In fact, I > think it reads better as a > "What-would-Eli-do-with-the-word-of-the-Sword" > write-up. Sorry, but I don't see that one at all. An Eli with the Word of the Sword would probably be just as apparently irresponsible as is the canonical Eli. Besides, who says that Eli doesn't kick ass now? :) > 4. Wait? Laurence can now Fall, but you have no plot > hooks exploiting that > fact? That's why it's a rough draft. There'll be at least a bit on why it's still unlikely to the max. :) > 5. What? No Infernal opinions of Lars. Bummer, I'd > love to read 'em. See previous comment. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:45:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Libertarian Sewer Flukes ... Yes, you read that right. Moe Libertarian Sewer Flukes Corporeal Forces: 3 Strength: 6 Agility: 6 Ethereal Forces: 1 Intelligence: 3 Precision: 1 Celestial Forces: 0 Will: 0 Perception: 0 Body Hits: 18 Skills: Area Knowledge/5 (NYC sewer system)*, Dodge/1, Fighting/2, Knowledge/2 (Libertarian philosophy), Language/3 (Brooklyn)* *GMs wishing to change the locale of the Libertarian Sewer Flukes are, of course, more than welcome to do so. Try picking a location which has a local accent that you can properly mangle... As has been mentioned elsewhere, there are lots of weird things hanging out in the NYC sewer system. Libertarian Sewer Flukes (LSFs) aren't even remotely the weirdest - although they are hardly prosaic denizens of the City That Never Sleeps. Of course, it's hard to be prosaic when you look and smell like a flattened halibut. There's a lesson there. Well, probably not. The funny part is, they aren't even really what one would call dangerous. The average LSF is perfectly happy to just swim around in its preferred habitat, doing the sorts of things that appeal to a LSF and generally having a heck of a good time (well, good from the point of view of an LSF). They don't hang out much with each other, unless they feel like having an argument. You see, they really are Libertarians, and they all approach that particular philosophy from unique viewpoints. Nobody has yet figured out yet just how they managed to learn and study Libertarianism in the first place - or how they keep track of the latest publications. Possibly some kind soul comes down and reads aloud to them every so often. Or maybe it's yet another insane byproduct of the reality warp that is the NYC sewer system. On the rare occasions that they do have to fight, well, don't fight them on their own turf. Their preferred method of attack is essentially to wrap themselves around a target, start constricting and hope for the best. Considering that few people can breathe sewage (and fewer would want to), this is actually a decent strategy. However, they only fight when attacked, and they taste horrible, horrible, horrible, so the issue often doesn't come up. The closest thing that LSFs have to an actual enemy are the giant ants known as Them, and that doesn't really count: the LSFs just try to convince individual Them to leave their collective and live free, and the Them pretty much ignore the Libertarian Sewer Flukes. With the above, one would think that LSFs would have almost no contact at all with other life forms; a reasonable assumption, but quite untrue. The reason why is simple: the sewer system of NYC (or any other major city) is a very confusing place to get around in, unless you're a Libertarian Sewer Fluke. They just somehow know where things are, and how to get to them - and, provided that you can make them a decent offer, a LSF will be more than happy to guide you there. Of course, finding something that a LSF would want might be an adventure in itself. So would understanding their directions; thanks to the laws of dramatic necessity, all LSFs speak with a Brooklyn accent so thick that you could bounce rocks off of it... ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:53:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> The Ruiners >I can see the tactic >being useful in limited doses, but it doesn't hold up >all that well in >the long run, especially when demons fight back. I agree with this. This won't really be that effective in the long run, considering *who* they'll be dealing with. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:55:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> Libertarian Sewer Flukes Reading this made my day. Now, to find a little Servitor of Flowers to brutally torment.....or a Servitor of Dark Humor to lure into some ingenoisly disturbing trap. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 21:59:09 -0700 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> The Ruiners >>I agree with this. This won't really be that effective in the long run, considering *who* they'll be dealing with. And they would be smart enough to change tactics when it became obvious that what they were doing was no longer working. The whole concept behind them was to destroy a Hellsworn's life or a demon's Role using a strategy that would not normally be expected. My own campaign hovers somewhere between light and dark: Evil isn't stupid and Good isn't above fighting dirty. As I said before, I figured that there would be holes in this, so I tossed it here to see the results. And now I am getting a few more demented ideas for them based on the feedback. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:01:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> Non-canon Plot seed.... > Dominic would also love to jump at the chance to remove > her, Michael too, unless Yves says something, which Lilith > can't count on. My mistake. Got a little bit carried away there. She would hold a *lot* of information, if only someone, heck, ANYONE can talk her into giving it all up. That would make for a *lot* of favors.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:08:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Unni Solaas Subject: Re: IN> New Heresy On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Maurice Lane wrote: > Besides, there's just too many bad jokes that could be > made about an Archangel of the Tool. :) And since when has this stopped _you_? :) > Besides, who says that Eli doesn't kick ass now? :) I think he very much does! Actually in my heretical little brain Eli is the one being who might have a chance at kicking Michael's butt. Being all Creative and stuff, Eli's got to be able to get one over on Mike. It's just that he's never bothered to. I mean - hes got Important Stuff to smoke....er do...er.. And all that fighting stuff is Mike's job, not Eli's anyway. :) - -- Stercus, stercus, stercus, moriturus sum! Unni Solaas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:14:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> Non-canon Plot seed.... >Allow me to point you at the Superior Soap opera...;) Allow me to point out a few differneces: 1. She isn't switching sides or making a third one. She's planning to put it all up for auction. Whoever bids hightest, whether it be Heaven, Hell, or some Ethereal (unlikely) she doesn't care. Its merely the best offer wins. She's im this for profit, not becuase she's afraid she might not last much longer in Hell. 2. The *other* missing Superiors may or may not be into this little plan. Remember, Gabriel, Janus and Valefor *HAVEN'T* been seen with Lilith in the Marches. They were just spotted there. Eli too. Who knows what they're all doing there? I don't really see any of them as the "go help Lilith with this insane army idea of hers" type. 3. Where in the In Nomine Soap Opera does it mention that Lilith gets an army? 4. This may all be just an eeerily elaborate plan of Kobal's, Lucifer's, Lilith's, or maybe all three. 5. Hell and Heaven are donsidering an alliance in this one. If Lilith *is* not going to get a good offer on this, she may as well use the army, right? After all, an army with nothing to do is more dangerous to it's commander than anyone else. I will admit there are some similarities, but I think thetre are enough differences to make it, well, different. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 01:45:53 -0400 From: EDG Subject: IN> It is convenient. It is convenient that Michael was not an Archangel before the Fall, so that he had no attunements to remember. It is convenient that Michael is a Seraph, and so none doubt his words. It is convenient that Michael is ensconced in Archangelic ineffability, so that those who might doubt him cannot prove it. It is convenient that Michael is known to every angel in Heaven, so that he never needs to announce himself or be announced. And because of all of this, Michael is going to kick Lucifer's red ass... ...just as soon as he remembers that it needs doing. There are several Superior-level Remnants wandering around. The most famous, of course, is Raphael's rumored appearance as several key figures in scientific history, most notably Leonardo da Vinci. There are others, however: Makatiel as a plague-ridden housemaid, Genubath as a cold-blooded killer in Victorian England. There are none quite so ancient, however, as the Eternal Warrior. Born twenty thousand years ago in the land between the Tigris and the Euphrates, the Warrior has lived countless lives, died countless deaths, and returns each time to fight anew. His names are legend: Achilles, Alexander, Charles, Beowulf. His deeds are even more so: he has built empires from salted earth, and brought armies to their knees at the mere sight of his axe. And he is not human. Not one inch of him. Eli knows; he didn't until recently, which was a source of great shame to him, but he's dedicated the last 45 years to tracking down the Warrior's current incarnation. Of course he didn't tell anyone: nobody, not even Laurence, could stand up to his impostor, except the Eternal Warrior himself. Yves knows; he says nothing, for the same reason, and has watched Heaven suffer as a result. Of course, Eli was a little late. The third-to-last incarnation of the Eternal Warrior died in the Pacific in 1943. The second-to-last was shot by a sniper in Vietnam not five minutes before Eli got to him. And the current one? Well, Eli's decided to recruit some help. Specifically, yours. There are signs: the kid who gets into every fight in school, and wins all of them. The one who gets in trouble, with pretty much everybody, for never telling a lie. The one who gets picked on in boot camp on up, because he never misleads the commanding officers on behalf of the other soldiers. The one who has a reputation for being able to look a rookie in the eye and know when he's lying. Oh, yes. There are signs. Whether you or Eli finds him first, there's still the matter of getting him acclimated to the current situation. That's a few months of "escort-the-Warrior-around-Earth-while-he-gets-a-grip-on-his-brain" duty. Eli's given you a device that he claims will keep the Warrior on Earth until Eli turns it off. Of course, this *is* Eli we're talking about; it might just make toast. Or it might make it *easier* for you to get to Heaven. After all, this is the Warrior. And nobody knows about sneak attacks better than someone who's been planning one, in that segment of his brain that's shut off from his waking body, for the last twenty thousand years... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 23:50:43 -0600 From: "Steven E. Ehrbar" Subject: Re: IN> The Ruiners Bergeron, Robert F., DS1(SW) wrote: >Except that sometimes how you do something does matter. If Angels indulge >in demonic/horrific tactics than the only thing that makes then different >from Demons are the colors of their wings. > Even with the roundup of Japanese citizens in the U.S., the firebombings of Dresden and Tokyo and other cities, the deliberate strafing of German civilians by fighter aircraft, the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the alliance with the mass-murdering brutal dictator Stalin, I'm still glad the Allies won WWII, not the Axis. Even if both sides use evil methods, a difference of ends is sufficient to make the sides distinguishable and one side preferable. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 23:00:08 -0700 From: edenesque@juno.com Subject: IN> The Angel of Canon This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ----__JNP_000_6707.3554.2e64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Deuteronomy Seraph of Judgment In Service To The Sword Angel of Canon Word Forces: 13 Corporeal Forces: 3 Strength: 6 Agility: 6 Ethereal Forces: 5 Intelligence: 12 Precision: 8 Celestial Forces: 5 Will: 8 Perception: 12 Skills: Fast-talk/4, Emote/6, Knowledge (History/6, Canon Law-Catholic Church/5), Languages (English, French, Italian, Latin/5), Savoir-Faire/4. Songs: Location (Celestial, Corporeal)/4, Motion (Celestial)/4, Empathy (Ethereal)/5, Forbidding (all)/6, Entropy (Ethereal, Celestial)/4, Harmony (Ethereal)/6. Attunements: Seraph of Judgment, Elohite of Judgment, Mercurian of Judgment, Malakite of Judgment, Incarnate Law, Advocate, Divine Mediation, Angel of Canon* *Angel of Canon: Deuteronomy can sense the most egregious violation of established canon in a range of miles equal to his Perception. Deuteronomy is a very harried angel, these days. Originally, he served as an assistant to Dominic back when he was still simply Dominic, not the Archangel of Judgment. His job was to help ensure that the laws created for humanity were both True, and worthy of being accepted as True. It was easy for him to claim the Word of Canon for his stalwart defense of established law and custom, for in those times it was easier to prove worthy of a Word. When the first civilizations appeared, Deuteronomy was one of the first angels of Judgement to go corporeal, helping in the development of law and order. His stern declamations of what was proper were truly impressive, especially in his favorite vessel: a bearded old patriarch with a forbidding demeanor. For eons, Deuteronomy has worked as a solid force of propriety, order, and law, working to uphold established custom and law as the only proper measurement of a society's worth. Always, he has served as a staunch defender of the status quo. When the Catholic Church came along, Deuteronomy was assigned--by Dominic's direct order--to work with Uriel and help defend and uphold the growing church. The Angel of Canon spent a good deal of time in Uriel's Castle, but has never offered any statements on the Purity Crusade. After Uriel's removal and Laurence's ascension, Deuteronomy continued his duties under the Archangel of the Sword. Deuteronomy's stuffy dictation, typical appearance as either a mini-version of Dominic or a righteous old priest, and his reputation for being one of the stiffest Poker-spines in Heaven has made him a target for several enterprising angels of the Wind. In particular, a band of Windies, led by the Ofanite Moe and the Cherub Beth, have of late taken to posting "Kick Me" signs on Deuteronomy's back. Savage gangs of Windies (and the odd opportunistic Gabrielite), have descended on the Angel of Canon from random dark alleys and begun kicking and beating him savagely. Complaints to Dominic and Janus have gone unheeded. Deuteronomy was last seen trying to skulk away into the shadows of the Council Spires. His Destiny...or perhaps Fate...is unknown, but one thing is clear: the Windies are restless. - ----__JNP_000_6707.3554.2e64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Deuteronomy Seraph of Judgment In Service To The Sword Angel of Canon Word Forces: 13 Corporeal Forces: 3 Strength= :=20 6 Agility: 6 Ethereal Forces: 5 &= nbsp;=20 Intelligence: 12 Precision: 8 Celestial Forces: 5 &= nbsp;=20 Will: 8 =20 Perception: 12 Skills: Fast-talk/4, Emote/6, Knowledge (History/6, Canon Law-= Catholic=20 Church/5), Languages (English, French, Italian, Latin/5), Savoir-Faire/4. Songs: Location (Celestial, Corporeal)/4, Motion (Celestial)/4, = Empathy=20 (Ethereal)/5, Forbidding (all)/6, Entropy (Ethereal, Celestial)/4, Harmony= =20 (Ethereal)/6. Attunements: Seraph of Judgment, Elohite of Judgment, Mercurian of=20 Judgment, Malakite of Judgment, Incarnate Law, Advocate, Divine Mediation, = Angel=20 of Canon* *Angel of Canon: Deuteronomy can sense the most egregious violation of= =20 established canon in a range of miles equal to his Perception. Deuteronomy is a very harried angel, these days. Originally, he served= as=20 an assistant to Dominic back when he was still simply Dominic, not the = Archangel=20 of Judgment. His job was to help ensure that the laws created for = humanity=20 were both True, and worthy of being accepted as True. It was easy for = him=20 to claim the Word of Canon for his stalwart defense of established law= and=20 custom, for in those times it was easier to prove worthy of a Word. When the first civilizations appeared, Deuteronomy was one of the = first=20 angels of Judgement to go corporeal, helping in the development = of law=20 and order. His stern declamations of what was proper were truly impressive,= =20 especially in his favorite vessel: a bearded old patriarch with a = forbidding=20 demeanor. For eons, Deuteronomy has worked as a solid force of = propriety,=20 order, and law, working to uphold established custom and law as the only = proper=20 measurement of a society's worth. Always, he has served as a staunch=20 defender of the status quo. When the Catholic Church came along,=20 Deuteronomy was assigned--by Dominic's direct order--to work with = Uriel and=20 help defend and uphold the growing church. The Angel of Canon = spent a=20 good deal of time in Uriel's Castle, but has never offered any statements = on the=20 Purity Crusade. After Uriel's removal and Laurence's ascension, Deuteronomy= =20 continued his duties under the Archangel of the Sword. Deuteronomy's stuffy dictation, typical appearance as either a=20 mini-version of Dominic or a righteous old priest, and his reputation = for=20 being one of the stiffest Poker-spines in Heaven has made him a target= for=20 several enterprising angels of the Wind. In particular, a band of = Windies,=20 led by the Ofanite Moe and the Cherub Beth, have of late taken to=20 posting "Kick Me" signs on Deuteronomy's back. Savage gangs of = Windies=20 (and the odd opportunistic Gabrielite), have descended on the Angel of = Canon=20 from random dark alleys and begun kicking and beating him savagely.=20 Complaints to Dominic and Janus have gone unheeded. Deuteronomy was = last=20 seen trying to skulk away into the shadows of the Council=20 Spires. His Destiny...or perhaps Fate...is unknown, but one thing=20 is clear: the Windies are restless. - ----__JNP_000_6707.3554.2e64-- ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 03:07:35 -0300 From: "vez o'rama" Subject: Re: IN> The Ruiners >>Michael? The Seraph? >> >>Falsifying evidence to put away a few hellsworn and demons? > >Planting, not falsifying. A subtle but significant difference. > >Janet Anderson Oh, my mistake. :) Planting (false) evidence to (falsely) implicate the hellsworn/demon, thus fabricating a (false) scenario, with the intention of deceiving people... (Somewhere Dominic is shredding his robe, and Michael is shaking his head...) Planting evidence is a deception. Michael is a Seraph. Even in a dark campaign. Especially in a dark campaign. How desperate would he have to be to create a group like The Ruiners? Unreasonably desperate. There are better ways, I think. :) - - vez _________________________________________________________________ Join the world s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 02:13:44 -0400 From: "S.D." Subject: Re: IN> It is convenient. >And because of all of this, Michael is going to kick Lucifer's red ass... > >...just as soon as he remembers that it needs doing. Um... I'm lost. Is Michael still in Heaven but has a chunk of his Forces on Earth, or is there an imposter and this is the *real* Mike, or have you twisted *all* of canon history to reflect this (and if so how), or what? And does Baal have any idea of this? ~S.D. Ryukage ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Leave it to the Catholics to destroy existence." Serendipity, 'Dogma' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 02:15:00 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> It is convenient. At 02:13 AM 7/3/02 -0400, you wrote: >Um... I'm lost. Is Michael still in Heaven but has a chunk of his Forces >on Earth, or is there an imposter and this is the *real* Mike, or have you >twisted *all* of canon history to reflect this (and if so how), or what? There is an impostor: the one Michael was meant to have kicked out of Heaven in the first place. He's not the First And Greatest Balseraph for nothing. >And does Baal have any idea of this? Probably not. After all, he's a Balseraph too. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 23:18:47 -0700 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> The Ruiners On Wed, 03 Jul 2002 03:07:35 -0300 vez o'rama said unto us: >>How desperate would he have to be to create a group like The Ruiners? Point of clarification: *Christopher* created The Ruiners. NOT Michael. Michael simply gave advice to him and let him do with it as he saw fit. Furthermore, Seraphim are discouraged from joining because the organization's tactics would not sit well with them which was another point I covered. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2693 ********************************