in_nomine-digest Tuesday, July 23 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2718 In this digest: IN> Org Chart IN> in nomine Re: IN> Azathoth Pt. II Re: IN> Org Chart Re: IN> Org Chart Re: IN> Azathoth Pt. II Re: IN> Azathoth Pt. II Re: IN> Org Chart IN> Azathoth IN> Have We Met? Re: IN> Azathoth Pt. II Re: IN> in nomine Fwd: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Fwd: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain Fwd: IN> Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Fwd: IN> More Laughter Re: IN> Azathoth Pt. II Re: IN> Azathoth IN> The Apple Re: Fwd: IN> Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: Fwd: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN> The Apple Re: IN> in nomine IN> Alternale Lilith pt3 Re: IN> Azathoth Pt. II RE: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:26:06 -0500 From: EDG Subject: IN> Org Chart The Org Chart This isn't properly a device so much as it is a sheet of paper with a flowchart printed on it. Still, it can be desperately useful for service to the Game, which is why Asmodeus wants every copy destroyed as soon as he can get his hands on them. Unfortunately for the Prince of the Game, someone out in Shal-Mari keeps churning them out - and sooner or later, a Gamester *will* get his hands on one. The Org Chart is exactly what its name implies: a flowchart detailing the feudal bureaucracy of the Game. However, it's not quite that simple; all the names are blurred out - except for the user's (if it's even on the chart) and the name of the person upon whom the user is concentrating (again, if that name appears in the Game's organization). The Org Chart is immensely useful, therefore, for determining not only whether someone is in service to the Game, but whether that person is lying about their status within the organization. That's not even the worst part, though: Asmodeus *really* wants to destroy these things because there are rumors flying around Hell among those who know about the chart - rumors that occasionally, Asmodeus's name doesn't appear at the top... The Org Chart Ethereal Song of Light (always level 2), only useable by demons ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:25:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike D Subject: IN> in nomine Why doest someone post fanfics on fanfiction.net or some other centeral site? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:31:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Azathoth Pt. II - --- Charles Glasgow wrote: > Which is why any demon worth his salt picks the wimpiest > little dream figments it can find to go beat on. Oh, sure, that goes without saying. But even the wimpiest little dream fragment can call for help -- and once word of this practice gets out, Azathothi will learn the hard way to leave even weak spirits from the major pantheons alone. Consider: a lone Apsara dancing in an Ethereal grove looks like easy prey. Not until the Beyonder gets within tentacle range do the trees drop their illusory camouflage and turn back into Rakshasa. Yes, I know that mythology recores that the Deva and Rakshasha were enemies, but I figure that anything that could get Heaven and Hell to cooperate can do the same for the Ethereals generated by Hinduism. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:36:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Org Chart - --- EDG wrote: > Asmodeus *really* wants to destroy > these things because there are rumors flying around Hell > among those who > know about the chart - rumors that occasionally, > Asmodeus's name doesn't appear at the top... Oh, that's not the problem. Lucifer's name appears at the top, but a Demon Prince is nothing if not ambitious. It's the copy of the Org Chart where Asmodeus' name does appear at the top that he doesn't want people to see. }:;:> ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:58:12 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Org Chart >The Org Chart Heh. I like -- I also like Michael's tweaking of the idea, but the base one is pretty good as well. No need for Lucifer to be shown at the top, after all. He's... assumed, in Hell. >The Org Chart >Ethereal Song of Light (always level 2), only useable by demons Except that to get this information, it's going to need something more. A Song of Symphony, perhaps, to get the information? Or, on a less cosmic level, perhaps Affinity (the affinity between the user and the Game). To counteract the extra cost, perhaps it's only usable in celestial form. After all, if the Game's organization were merely *three*-dimensional, things would be a lot easier for the poor Gamesters. ;^) Finally, one more reason why Azzie wants these all destroyed -- it wouldn't be too hard for an angel who got their hands on one of these to make an altered copy that would show, say, the relative position of any two Gamesters. Now imagine an Archangel, who can concentrate in succession on the name of every known Gamester, very fast. For the final munch-tweak, hand it to a Kyriotate Archangel, who can concentrate on lots of them at once. %^) William ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:56:41 +0000 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Azathoth Pt. II >From: Michael Walton >Subject: Re: IN> Azathoth Pt. II >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:31:26 -0700 (PDT) > Oh, sure, that goes without saying. But even the >wimpiest little dream fragment can call for help -- and >once word of this practice gets out, Azathothi will learn >the hard way to leave even weak spirits from the major >pantheons alone. a) Celestial Shields. You don't make Captain without having figured out how to keep victims from calling for backup. b) I said "dream figments". They don't *have* a pantheon to watch out for them. They're the plankton of the Marches, the lowest step on the food chain. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:02:07 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN> Azathoth Pt. II > > >1) the user can never gain more benefit from a single use > > >of it than 1 Force and the elimination of an enemy, whereas > > >it must enter Celestial combat and risk sould death or > > >Remnanting every time; > > > > Which is why any demon worth his salt picks the wimpiest little dream > > figments it can find to go beat on. > > > > A 3-Force dream spirit ain't exactly gonna be a serious risk of >soul-death > > to a 12-Force Captain, after all... but it still provides one yummy >Force. > > Bam, 13-Force Captain. > >A way to keep this distinction without making it the total munchkinfest >that it currently is would be to specify that the ethereal must have more >Forces than the demon. That way Mr. 17-Force Master has to track down and >defeat in soul-threatening combat an 18-Force Ethereal... which will be >both damned hard to find and then damned hard to kill. > >Because that's a neat idea... but it DEFINITELY needs a limiter on it. > I like idea as a limiter. It is over the top and doesn't need it... but if someone wanted to use this Superior (I'd love to, as a Ethereal boogyman) that would be a good way to limit it. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:36:24 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Org Chart At 01:58 PM 7/23/02 -0400, you wrote: >Except that to get this information, it's going to need something more. A >Song of Symphony, perhaps, to get the information? Or, on a less cosmic >level, perhaps Affinity (the affinity between the user and the Game). It's a MacGuffin, the mechanics don't need to be perfect. ;) You're right, though - and either Symphony or Affinity could work. Corporeal Battle might also be possible. >Finally, one more reason why Azzie wants these all destroyed -- it wouldn't >be too hard for an angel who got their hands on one of these to make an >altered copy that would show, say, the relative position of any two >Gamesters. Now imagine an Archangel, who can concentrate in succession on >the name of every known Gamester, very fast. For the final munch-tweak, >hand it to a Kyriotate Archangel, who can concentrate on lots of them at >once. %^) Not the final one. What you need is an Archangel who's also a Master of Divine Knowledge, so that he can use both the Kyriotate and Ofanite resonances... ;) (To all those of you who have the GMG and are about to point out the reference that says that Superiors can use all Choir/Band resonances: hush, I say. Hush.) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:14:19 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Azathoth Just what is the appeal of the Cthulhu Mythos, anyway? The "incomprehensible alienness"? If I can't imagine how horrible something is I'm not going to be frightened by it. True horror, like charity, begins at home. Other than that one genre complaint, which really has nothing to do with the submission, Azathoth seems to be a fairly respectable(?) bad guy. > Knight of Yith [snip] > If the target has less > Essence than the damage dealt, the excess damage causes > normal injury to the target. I'd recommend that the extra damage be lost. Being able to inflict massive Essence loss in your opponent is a tremendous advantage. Even Imps have to roll twice. (Besides, ya gets fancy, ya takes yer chances.) >> Captain of Kadath Munchkin. Now there's no excuse for any Captain of Kadath to have less than 18 Forces. > A way to keep this distinction without making it the total munchkinfest > that it currently is would be to specify that the ethereal must have more > Forces than the demon. That way Mr. 17-Force Master has to track down and > defeat in soul-threatening combat an 18-Force Ethereal... which will be > both damned hard to find and then damned hard to kill. So invite a few other Captains (or whatever) and go gangbanging. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Numinous Corpus (Squamousness) This Song works just like Numinous Corpus (Plates) except that the singer gets all gooey instead of looking like a rhino. Anything that touches the singer gets smeared with the disgusting, stinking slime. Curiously, while it no longer provides protection, the foul excresence doesn't disappear when the Song ends. It must be washed off with turpentine, gasoline, or Woolite (tm). (Sorry about the Woolite, I just can't take Cthulhu Mythos seriously.) "I don't want the whole world, I only want your half." - They Might Be Giants Pete, Demon of Misinformation http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/IN/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:14:20 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Have We Met? Ooooh! Try to be subtle NOW Ninja Boy! "I'm always right, no matter what the facts are." -Pete Pete, Demon of Misinformation http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/IN/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:16:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Azathoth Pt. II - --- Charles Glasgow wrote: > a) Celestial Shields. You don't make Captain without > having figured out how > to keep victims from calling for backup. Good point. > b) I said "dream figments". They don't *have* a pantheon > to watch out for > them. They're the plankton of the Marches, the lowest > step on the food chain. And fairly uncommon outside of dreamscapes. Not that Beyonders would mind invading dreamscapes, of course. OTOH, I thought of a limitation that might balance out the Distinction. Add, "After a demon gains a Force by using this power, it must acquire its next Force naturally." This gives a maximum of five times that the Distinction can be used without also losing Forces in Celestial combat. No other Distinction has such a limited shelf life. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:12:21 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> in nomine At 10:25 AM -0700 7/23/02, Mike D wrote: >Why doest someone post fanfics on fanfiction.net or >some other centeral site? www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/fiction.html ? - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:16:37 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:16:36 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [BC Petery ] Remember, in_nomine_posters-l is for times like these! >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:17:33 -0400 >Subject: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed >From: BC Petery > >>> Wait- does part of her go to Heaven, or is all of her >>> forced into her vessel when she takes a nap? And I >>> liiiiike said plot seed. > >> I would have most of her get pulled back to Heaven. The only superiors I >> would have retain all their power would be Eli and Lilith, with the >> corporeal incarnations of the rest being reduced to 18-force celestials with >> Word forces to back them up. And thank you! > >And when that gets old... > >What happens if the "Wounded Earth" heals, the AAs & DPs may once again >manifest on earth, and they find out that their corporeal manifestations are >now "different." > >Changed opinions, unexpected alliances, questionable modes of operations. > >Servitors. Pets. Children? > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >> Actually, for a real mind-bender, have the *only* Superior who retained full >> power be Lilith. > >Glaakk! That Bitch! She PLANNED THIS WHOLE THING! (And as a chronic Lilim >player so I mean that in a good way. But you know that many Superiors will >think that.) > >And if she did plan it, do her daughters get to stay on the corporeal? Are >they designed to travel freely past the turbulance? Or do they all (Brights >too) get drawn onto the Corporeal plane? (Free at last, free at last! Thank >Lilith, free at last!) > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >>Let the propaganda wars begin! > >The Media is your friend. Trust no one. Keep your laser handy. > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >>> Lilith might become President of the United States (1), >>> but her Word-nature wouldn't be able to >>> handle her turning herself into Queen of the World. >>> Even if she was the only full-powered Superior left on >>> it. > >> True. But as you said, she could get herself elected >>President (or Prime Minister, or whatever) -- and history >>shows us that the velvet glove can have a grip as powerful >>as that of the iron fist. > >Ronald Regan. > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >"Filmore, some capers you _have_ to pull, whether you want to or not." > -Dr. Tod, "Thirty Minutes Over Broadway", Wild Cards, Vol. 1 > >Pete, Demon of Misinformation >http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/IN/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:17:37 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:16:38 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [BC Petery ] > >Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:17:36 -0400 >Subject: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain >From: BC Petery > [...] >>But seriously, if that is the rule, I'm sorry and will post it once a day. > >And it gives the rest of us the better part of a week to peck you to death. > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >>Geese ^^; thanks. > >I believe you mean "Jeeze." > >"Geese" is the plural of "goose." > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >>As to the Kyriotate thing, how about if they have a >>host stand in the rain for an hour, then they don't >>need to make a check to remain in that host for the >>rest of the day. > >And give the host a reputation, "Doesn't know enough to come in out of the >rain." > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >"Hey! You're mean!" -Squeakers, Reliever of Flowers >"Yeah. But I'm cute, so I get away with it." -MacNorma (Free Lilim) > >Pete, Demon of Misinformation >http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/IN/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:18:25 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: IN> Wounded Earth- Plot Seed >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 06:29:31 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [BC Petery ] > >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 07:30:41 -0400 >Subject: IN> Wounded Earth- Plot Seed >From: BC Petery > >>Who knows, maybe someone on both sides takes this as a sign >>to start to Final Battle... > >But if they can't get to Earth, how are they going to get at each other? > > >I can't think of a clever tagline, > >BC Petery >http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:18:55 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: IN> More Laughter >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 06:29:33 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [BC Petery ] > >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 07:30:43 -0400 >Subject: IN> More Laughter >From: BC Petery > >>The Best Medicine: >[snip] >>(the medicine usually contains a lot of sugar). > >But, but... what about diabetics? > > >"I don't want the whole world, I only want your half." > - They Might Be Giants > >Pete, Demon of Misinformation >http://www15.brinkster.com/ugwump/IN/index.html > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:10:56 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> Azathoth Pt. II So far so good. However... >Captain of Kadath > This Distinction makes the demon extremely deadly in >combat with Ethereals. If the Beyonder engages an Ethereal >in Celestial combat, the first Force stripped from the >victim is added to the demon’s own. The stripped Force >grafts onto the same realm that it came from (i.e. a >stripped Corporeal Force can only be added to the demon’s >Corporeal Forces) unless that realm can accept no more >Forces. In that case the new Force grafts onto the realm >where the demon is weakest. This power can only be used >once on any given Ethereal and never works more than once >per month of game time. > Way, way, WAY too power-enducing. At LEAST stipulate that the victim should have a certain /quantity/ of Forces. Otherwise, they could just glut on Figments and be bloated 18-force munchkinized engines of easily derideable mirth rather than the terrifying Things* they should be. >Baron of R’lyeh > Azathoth grants some of its demons the power to enter >into extended slumber. The Baron regains Essence as if it >was in Limbo -- the demon recharges at the slower rate for >Limbo but can store vast amounts of Essence. Each of the >demon’s Vessels also heals one Hit per week even if they >are in potentiality. Upon waking the demon can hold all >stored Essence for a number of hours equal to its Forces in >the realm that it currently occupies (i.e. Corporeal Forces >if the demon is on Earth, Ethereal Forces if in the >Marches) before losing everything over its normal Essence >cap. If this power is used in Limbo, the demon need not >make Will saves to hold onto its stored Essence. > Instead of gaining Essence on any given week, a Baron of >R’lyeh can choose to lose a note of Dissonance instead. >This is the only exception to Azathoth’s Dissonance >conditions. Using this Distinction to remove Dissonance >gained in a manner that Azathoth wouldn’t be likely to >excuse may result in the Distinction and/or several Forces >being stripped. > This is rather snazzily done; limitations and the threat of discipline make for much potential... I plead the fifth on the rest. (^_^) Kamika-Z, with a fist full of ftaughn. *that Man was Not Meant to Know, of course! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:21:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Azathoth - --- BC Petery wrote: > Just what is the appeal of the Cthulhu Mythos, anyway? For my part, the intricacy. Lovecraft and his imitators put a lot of stuff into that world -- it's so much material to work with. > If I can't imagine how horrible something is > I'm not going to be frightened by it. > > True horror, like charity, begins at home. I agree. The Cthulhu Mythos is disturbing, but for truly scary I'll vote for "Misery" any day. And the movie moment that made me squirm the most was from a musical*, of all things. > I'd recommend that the extra damage be lost. Being able > to inflict massive > Essence loss in your opponent is a tremendous advantage. Y'know, that was my original idea. Then I though, "Waitaminute, this isn't an Attunement, it's a Distinction!" But it's pretty much unanimous that a lot of this stuff would have to be powered down if you wanted to use Azathothi as PC's. > > A way to keep this distinction without making it the > total munchkinfest > > that it currently is would be to specify that the > ethereal must have more Forces than the demon. Or at least equal. Expands the target options a bit. };> > So invite a few other Captains (or whatever) and go > gangbanging. Which means that the limiter above only really screws those who don't play well with others (which is pretty common among demons, actually). > Numinous Corpus (Squamousness) Beatcha to it! Somewhere in the INC is a list of Numinous Corpus that I came up with, among them NC: Slime. ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:07:20 -0500 From: EDG Subject: IN> The Apple The Apple No, not *that* apple. The Apple is actually a name given to any one of a number of artifacts which share a form and a function: they take the shape of apples, and grant their owners special powers in the realm of education. Not only do they grant the Teaching skill, but they improve the user's charisma, making his students more likely to pay attention. These relics were, at one time, so commonplace that they inspired an autumn custom: schoolchildren would present apples to their teachers, from the newly-picked harvest, as a gesture of good faith. Of course, it was the rare student who noticed the same apple sitting year after year on certain teachers' desks... The Apple Relic: Ethereal Friendship: 3/level Talisman: Teaching: 2/level Artifact: 1/level (always level 2) Allows user to use a Song normally restricted: +1/level Sample Apple: Ethereal Friendship/3, Teaching/3: 9 + 6 + 2 + 3: 20 CP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:26:21 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: Fwd: IN> Wounded Earth- Plot Seed > >>Who knows, maybe someone on both sides takes this as a sign > >>to start to Final Battle... > > > >But if they can't get to Earth, how are they going to get at each other? The Marches my freind, the Marches. I imagine this was the default for where the War would begin. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:31:56 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: Fwd: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed > >And when that gets old... > > > >What happens if the "Wounded Earth" heals, the AAs & DPs may once again > >manifest on earth, and they find out that their corporeal manifestations >are > >now "different." Just what I thought. What if one of them Falls/Redeems? That one submission on Asmodeus having an emotion sink getting cut off from him comes to mind... > > > >Changed opinions, unexpected alliances, questionable modes of operations. > > > >Servitors. Pets. Children? > > > >> Actually, for a real mind-bender, have the *only* Superior who retained >full > >> power be Lilith. > > > >Glaakk! That Bitch! She PLANNED THIS WHOLE THING! (And as a chronic Lilim > >player so I mean that in a good way. But you know that many Superiors >will > >think that.) Heh. Actually, Lilith didn't have a single damn clue. She's just as shocked as everyone esle, but she will NOT be affected by the Purging. She may be extremely celestial minded, but she IS still human. > > > >And if she did plan it, do her daughters get to stay on the corporeal? >Are > >they designed to travel freely past the turbulance? Or do they all >(Brights > >too) get drawn onto the Corporeal plane? (Free at last, free at last! >Thank > >Lilith, free at last!) Hey... THAT would be interesting. All Lilim get pulled OUT of Heaven and Hell! But that would ruin some of the idea... but no, Lilim were affected just the same. If your celestial, you got pulled. You would have to be Lucifer/Lilith to stand there and not blink. > >>Let the propaganda wars begin! > > > >The Media is your friend. Trust no one. Keep your laser handy. Oh yeah. If Nybbas got stuck on the corp plane, fragmented or not, he would have a PARTY. Well... not if Eli is around... _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:13:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Apple And then there’s... The Worm Good teachers mold young minds. Bad teachers warp them. The Worm is an insidious Living Talisman that aids the latter process. When placed near an Apple, a Worm will bore inside and eat away the part of the Artifact that contains the Teaching skill. The Worm then replaces that portion with itself and its own Lying skill. The Apple continues to function normally otherwise with the user unaware that he or she has become a much better liar. A Worm is made from a 3-Force demonling and is thus a Class 1 Servant. It has no Songs or Attunements, Lying/6 and Move Silently/6. Cost: (Resource level)/2 ===== Michael Walton, #US2002023848 "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." -- Frank Zappa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:04:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> in nomine Allow me to answer that. Being a Fanfiction.net author myself, the answer is simple. No In Nomine category. FF.net doesn't have a section solely for IN. I have been trying to get them to open one for a while now, but have given up completely. Now, i'll just have to be content with the Miscellaenous RPG category. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:11:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: IN> Alternale Lilith pt3 Role in the War: Her actual role in the War is rather vague. She *is* the very incarnation of the concept of "Freedom", and she works a lot to promote it. Her primary concerns considering her Word are mainly in the corporeal world, so she keeps her main base there. Her work has been, and is, a constant temptation to Celestials who feel they are oppressed. This has caused a few defections among the younger ones and the ones disillusioned with the War. She promotes Freedom as best she can. Her primary task is working to free those imprisoned by injustice, or by force. She is the main balance between Heaven and Hell, as she shares little tidbits of information on both sides every so often, encouraging them to keep on their toes. She gives them a bit of information to get some plans going, but leaves them in the dark enough to make sure a full scale assault *can't* be made. This little game has encouraged both sides to constantly upgrade their defenses, giving her even more information that she can potentially to sell. Relations: Among the Archangels, she has quite a good relationship with the less war-like ones. Novalis in particular, who she sees as beneficial to humanity is a close confidant of hers. Michael she tries to keep at bay, as she knows as long as she has tactical information on Hell, he'll keep coming to her. Quite frankly, she enjoys the attention. Janus, whose personality and Word complement her quite well, hasn't really stayed put long enough around her for her to form an opinion on him, but she likes what she's seen. Yves she has an special interest in, as she wonders what Destiny holds for her. Dominic admits doing business with her, but is openly hostile towards her. She has taken an interest in Blandine's relationship with Beleth, many saying that Beleth and Blandine are going through what Lilith and Adam went through. Lilith has openly denied this, but it still won't die down. She is more.....charming than normal around Laurence and Jean, but few really suspect anything is going on between them. Allied: Novalis Associated: Janus, Michael Neutral: Everybody else, except.... Hostile: Dominic As for the Princes, she does business with them, she socializes with a few, but she sees little reason to trust any of them. Andrealphus is openly seducing her, thinking her a great challenge. Lilith finds this insulting, so she has begun toying with him, letting him *think* he's in control. Malphas in some ways, promotes Freedom, albeit in a small manner. Lucifer is still rather hurt by her ignoring his advances so long ago. Nybbas she has befriended as the Media has done more to promote the Freedom of expression in recent times than anything else. Saminga, she loathes for his utter lack of respect for the Freedom of others to live their lives. Beleth finds her tolerable, if she doesn't bring Blandine up. Kobal knows how cruel a joke it would be if Lilith would turn on her own Word, her own nature, to crush the Freedom of others. Valefor is openly friendly towards her, often acting the way Janus does around her. She has witnessed him steal some great historical artifacts, knowing where they are kept. She keeps quiet about it though. Allied: Nybbas Associated: Valefor, Kobal Neutral: Everybody else, except..... Hostile: Saminga* ( Lucifer is hostile to her ) However, she will do business with them as long as they are willing to put any personal feelings aside. <> sidebar <> The Rumors...... Rumors are rampant all over Heaven and Hell on Lilith's romantic relationships, among other things. Of course, all involved will say this is absolutely false. Malphas and company have said that they have spotted Lilith and Dominic on a picnic, though a little interrogation from Asmodeus quickly quelled that. Nybbas claims to have a video tape of Michael and Lilith, though it could easily be nothing more than another business meeting. A certain Cherub Archangel is said to have been Lilith's lover once, though nobody finds *that* believable. While the other Superiors whine and rampantly deny the truth of these rumors, Lilith finds them the source of a good laugh. She finds it frivolous and humorous, tickling her fancy. She hasn't confirmed nor denied any of the rumors, other than that one about Janus being the reason why she left Eden, which she adamantly denied. Another source of rumors are Lilith's concern for Beleth and Blandine. Nobody knows why, but Lilith's concern for the two is clearly out of place. Beleth has tried for years to scare Lilith into stopping her crusade to get her and Blandine together again. She has, however, failed miserably. Prompting Beleth herself to try and stop her. Blandine lets her be, but will not think twice about letting Lilith know if she's going too far. Other than her origins and relations, another great source of rumors is her personal secretary, Celes. <> end sidebar <> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:48:49 +0000 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Azathoth Pt. II >From: Michael Walton >Subject: Re: IN> Azathoth Pt. II >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:33:10 -0700 (PDT) >1) the user can never gain more benefit from a single use >of it than 1 Force and the elimination of an enemy, whereas >it must enter Celestial combat and risk sould death or >Remnanting every time; Which is why any demon worth his salt picks the wimpiest little dream figments it can find to go beat on. A 3-Force dream spirit ain't exactly gonna be a serious risk of soul-death to a 12-Force Captain, after all... but it still provides one yummy Force. Bam, 13-Force Captain. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:19:14 -0400 From: "Bergeron, Robert F., DS1\(SW\)" Subject: RE: IN>Wounded Earth- Plot Seed - -----Original Message----- From: William J. Keith [mailto:wjk150@email.psu.edu] Of course, a while back I proposed that *every* Superior would not only have a Vessel, but in fact have a Role/6 at any time, which an instantiation had lived from "birth", just in case it was necessary to arrive somewhere without dumping 20 points of Disturbance onto the Symphony, or to do something so on the sly that even a Servitor would be a security risk. But that would make this whole scenario less interesting. ;^) William Unless you go with the idea that their Forces tied up in Celestial are not available, so the five or so Forces they spared to maintain their vessel/role are all they have to work with. DS1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 21:56:10 -0400 From: Michael Bruner Subject: Re: IN>Eklizeal, Grigori Archangel of the Rain At 05:39 AM 7/22/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I really liked this writeup! A few suggestions... And some of mine too... > > Seraphim (R): By expending 3 essence, a Seraph of the Rain can see > anyone in > > a vessel for what they truly are, with the vision lasting for check digit > > minutes. This only works in a natural rainstorm. > >Powerful, but costly and (somewhat) limited, so balanced. I only say >"somewhat" because her Masters can make rainstorms automatically... but at >least it still won't work, say, indoors. Given that it removes one of the key difficulties in IN (i.e. wondering "Is that guy an angel/demon?"), I would tend to not use this. But since I like the idea of "rain washing away falsehoods" that you've got here, maybe something that removes mundane disguises and/or prevents the target from telling a lie while in rain? Potent, but not instant "Ah hah! You're a demon!" if the enemy is clever. > > Cherubim (PR): If the attuned of the Cherub is destroyed, he can get rid of > > the dissonance by washing their attuned for one hour in natural rainwaters. > > This must be done within one day of the attuned being destroyed, and only > > one dissonance can be removed by this method. Rather than dissonance, maybe make a version of Corp Healing if they wash the attuned in falling rainwater? Kind of a neat "baptism" image with that sort of idea, and the natural rain requirement would justify removing/lowering the normal costs of Corp Healing. > > Ofanim (R): Wheels of the Rain can _ignore_ their choir dissonance > > conditions if they are in a natural rainstorm, OR they can > automatically get > > the Walk in the Rain attunement. > >My suggestion: Take the Walk in the Rain attunement, remove the Essense >cost, and make it the Ofanite attunement. Ditto. > > Malakim (PR): For 3 essence, these Malakim can make the next attack that > > hits do soul damage, regardless of whether the target is in celestial form > > or not. Really against this, but not sure what to replace it with. > > Kyriotates: Whomever the Dominations of the Rain possess will be calm and > > relaxed, no matter how mad they may normally get; they are immune to > feeling > > anger. The host can add the Kyrio's ethereal forces to their resistance > > rolls for any discord relating to anger. > >This attunement doesn't do anything. Hosts have their consciousness >DISPLACED to the Marches when possessed. Admittedly, this will help them >have nicer dreams while there... :) I think you're thinking of Shedim. > >I suppose the ability to possess water is a bit trite... can't think of >anything else to replace it with. Maybe given the scattered nature of rain, give the Kyriotate the ability to possess hosts as if their Forces were 1 or some other number higher than they actually are (i.e. they can take slightly more hosts or a set of hosts that would ordinarily add up to too many required Forces). Powerful, but not necessarily game-breaking; the ability to take an extra 2 Force canary on top of your usual load could be useful in some cases but not always. There might be some dangerous combination of this with other Kyrio attunements I'm not thinking about, but given the difficulties the servitor of a Grigori will have in arranging the acquisition of said attunements that probably won't be a problem. > > Mercurian: Eklizeal's Mercurian's can sense any Servitor of Belial or > Oannes > > on the spot with a perception roll, and from then on their vessel will glow > > with either a red (Belial), or blue (Oannes) light. > >Useful, though rather specialized. A little too specialized, and doesn't have much to do with being a Mercurian (also breaks the old "Shouldn't instantly know if someone's an angel/demon" idea again). Maybe the ability to lull humans to sleep, as per rain's ability to do the same? Would obviously help with their Choir need not to harm humans. > > Grigori (R): Grigori of the Rains can become invisible as per the corporeal > > Song of Invisibility when they are directly in the rain of a natural storm. > >I think you mean Ethereal Song of Form; there's no Song of Invisibility. >One thing that needs clarifying is whether the angel (A) must buy the >song, (B) must roll the dice, (C) must pay Essence, as well as whether the >Song has a duration. If NONE of those apply, then this is quite >overpowered. They should either have to buy the Song and roll the dice >(like Eli's Kyrios) or pay the Essence (like Jean's Mercs); either way, >the regular duration should apply. Otherwise, this would be powerful, even >for a Servitor attunement. Well, the rain requirement prohibits using it indoors (plus the "natural storm" bit prevents the angel whistling up a storm to do this if read literally), so I think the no Essence bit is a wash, if you'll pardon the expression :). It also means they'd need the Song to do sneaking under other circumstances, and of course you put their ability to sneak around at the mercy of the GM ("Gee, looks like the rain's starting to slack off just as you approach those Calabim..."). > > Show me Heaven: For 4 essence, the angel can make all tethers become tinted > > a certain color when in a natural rainsotrm. > >Hrm... in my opinion, there are too many secret and hidden Tethers to >allow this ability - I know it would certainly disrupt my games. My last >IN adventure was along the lines of "We have evidence of a Tether to Hell >in the area - please find out where and what it is". I guess it depends on >how you use Tethers, though, and this might fit other games just fine. Well, again indoors this wouldn't work, which would protect a LOT of Tethers from detection (or even better, gives the PCs a mission to try to arrange a leak in the roof to find the answer). Given it's a Grigori Archangel, they can't just go running off to tell Heaven either, so with the Essence requirement I think this one is balanced. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2718 ********************************