in_nomine-digest Monday, August 5 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2734 In this digest: Re: IN> Evil Mike part 3 Re: IN> New Discord- Reliphobia Re: IN> New Discord- Reliphobia Re: IN> *coughsnigger* Re: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... Re: IN> Evil Mike part 4 Re: IN> New Discord- Reliphobia Re: IN> New Discord- Reliphobia Re: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... Re: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... RE: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... RE: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... RE: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... Re: IN> Evil Mike part 4 RE: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... RE: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... Re: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... Re: IN> *coughsnigger* Re: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... Re: IN> Quick Question Re: IN> *coughsnigger* Re: IN> ...Ur. RE: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... Re: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... Re: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... RE: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:10:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> Evil Mike part 3 Editing being done as we speak. Told you I had trouble with his attunements. If you consider the Lilith HP of Death's attunements, which are rather weak, these are a bit overkill. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:17:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> New Discord- Reliphobia >"You have to believe me! I'm an angel serving the >Most Just, and I'm here to bring that demon to >justice!" >"Then how come you run off whenever he waves a cross >at you?" Most useful. Now I have a way to keep those damned Judgement NPCs at bay long enough to kill of my PCs.... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:18:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> New Discord- Reliphobia I have difficulty pronouncing these things. English is not my mother-tongue. How *do* you pronounce 'em? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:20:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> *coughsnigger* > The look on Prince Andre's face when his partner >says, "You are the > _second_ kinkiest man I've ever been with." The first being??? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:22:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... Minus the soap-opera like bits, pretty much like mine. Only I GM for Infernals. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:33:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Kanako Otaku Subject: Re: IN> Evil Mike part 4 Evil Mike/Lilith part 4 Chew on this while I rewrite Mike's stuff. Lilith, Undead Princess of Death "The world is a prison. We must kill all to set them free." History: Lilith left Eden, prompted by dark voice she didn't know. Some say Lucifer, some say the Metatron, some say Michael, some say Raphael, some say God himself told her to go. In any case, she left, seeking her Freedom. When she came upon Michael and his Demons, slowly being sent down to their exile, she was shocked. Appaled at the thought that the God she trusted, who granted her her Freedom would willingly allow his Angels to imprison their own kind for trying to seek out their own Freedom. It took several centuries, but she managed to pound her way through the gates and let loose Michael and his horde. Lilith asked merely for the Word of Freedom, but Michael could see that she must already have had that Word, or she would never have been able to release them. At the time, Michael's only truly capable lieutenants were Baal, Belial and Asmodeus, so he needed another one. Using his resonance to warp her mind, she made her long to kill as he did, and granted her a Word that would forever be associated with his own: Death. <>sidebar<> Lilith Dark, Lilith Bright When Michael granted her the Word of Death, something in Lilith's soul began to ripple, then shake, then tear apart at itself. By the time Michael finished binding her to her Word, most of Lilith's soul had separated from her body. What little remained was warped completely by the nature of her Word. It was at that moment, so the legends say, that a new Angel, with a bright green halo appeared withing the Seraphim Council. Speaking once more, God told them that this was Lilith, Angel of Liberty. The Lilith in Heaven, often called Lily, is officially one of Novalis' Servitors. Though she is more commonly seen with the Host's valiant second in command, Laurence. Like the Undead Lilith, Lily makes Lilim. While the Heavenly Lilim are given the Freedom to choose which Superior they wish to serve, Lilim in Hell can't. Also Heavenly Lilim appear as humans with Angelic wings, and don't need vessels. Otherwise they are the same. Should a Lilim Fall or Redeem, their appearance changes appropriately. These cases are rare though. Lily and Lilith are not completely separate however, as when one gains dissonance, the other does as well. If Lilith has a Geas/6 on someone, Lily has a separate Geas/6 on that person as well. However, when one is called in, the other is retained. However, any Geasa that Lily gains are hers alone. The fundamental difference is that Lilith is an obsessive-compulsive killing machine, while Lily tries to talk her way out first, before unleashing her feared twin katana (Japanese sword) fighting style. <>end sidebar<> Michael assigned Oblivion to watch over Lilith's mind, to make sure that she does not remember what she truly is, lest she rebel and join the Host. No one knows how or when it started, but Michael and Oblivion began courting Lilith at around the same time. Michael however, would be the eventual winner, using what he knew would appeal to Lilith the most. Death and destruction. By the seventeenth century, Lilith and Michael were wed. When Oannes Redeemed Jordi, Lilith was so disgusted she went to find the Archangel herself. So many were dying from attacks by Jordi's beasts that Lilith lost a good comrade when he Redeemed. Oannes had little chance against Death, as Lilith used Oannes own Word against him. By the time she was satisfied with the torment she put him through, as well as the number of Forces and Essence she took from him, she sent Belial to finish off the scraps. Uriel's marching across the Marches was a welcome time to Lilith. It gave her much raw power. She is rumored to actually have been by Uriel's side during the Purity Crusade's bloodiest slaughtering of Ethereals. She however, agreed that if Uriel begins attacking Beleth's domain, he would have to be taken out. She's just disappointed she didn't get to do it herself. Legion was not a particularly popular decision of Michael's to Lilith. She would have much prefered that Legion be directed or manipulated to attacking Heaven, then be finished off. It would have provided her with a massive Word-power boost. Personality: Obsessive-compulsive. She is obsessed with freeing everyone through Death. Thus, she is compelled to kill virtually everything she can. And she can kill quite a lot. Many have argued that Michael isn't the most poweful being in Hell, Lilith is. Her Geasa are scattered across Hell's minions, and holds on to them like vises. Geasa held by her and her Lilim are all black strands, with ghosts circling around them that wail when it is called in. Whereas Lily and the Heavenly Lilim's are pure white cords, that give a soft, calming tone when called in. Dissonance Conditions: It is dissonant while in Lilith's service to not kill a number of beings of equivalent 5 Forces or more in one day. It is also dissonant to allow someone who is fatally wounded or terminally ill to live. Lilith greatly respects the souls of the dead and it is highly dissonant, if not lethal, to soul-kill anyone other than an Angel. Organization: One quarter Lilim, one quarter Undead, the rest are just Demons. Rising in her ranks involves either killing a lot, or killing the competition. She is willing to listen to ideas that may improve the efficiency and kill-rate of her Demons. Her Servitors all understand that they are expendable, even those who have Lilith's highest distinction. At the level of her power, she can do what her organization does in a year within a week. Disease, Gluttony, Drugs and Saminga are all Demons in her service. Band Attunements: Balseraphim: Whenever they convince someone to take their own life willingly, they gain 1 Essence. Djinn: They can automatically attune to someone that they wish to kill. However, they have one week to kill them or they become highly dissonant. During this week however, they cannot become dissonant. Calabim: Calabim can, with a touch, instantly cause the desturction of anything artificial that is keeping a person alive. This includes pacemakers, artificial hearts, iron lungs and such. Whenever their resonance causes the death of a person, they gain 1 Essence. However, they become dissonant whenever it does not. Habbalah: They are automatically successful at using their resonance to give someone a reason to kill another. Lilim: Whenever a Lilim invokes a Geas, and the Geas is high enough, the Lilim *must* invoke it so that the person kills themselves or someone else. Should the Lilim fail, the Geas is decreased by 1 level. Shedim: Shedim of Death aren't angry at Lilim, they're afraid of them. A Shedite in Lilith's service are unaffected by their Band dissonance conditions if they are trying to kill the Host. Shedim may also, for 1 Essence, possess the vessels of any Celestial if they have 3 or more Forces than that Celestial. Impudite: Impudites of Death are primarily scavengers. If the target is near death (GMs call), the Impudite can use their resonance to drain Essence until the person is dead. Said Essence must be used within 24 hours or be lost however. Servitor Attunements: Animate Dead: Holders of this attunement can and 2 Essence, with a touch, reanimate any corpse for a number of rounds equal to the Demon's corporeal Forces. The reanimated corpses have 5 Forces, 3 corporeal, 1 for the other two. Hands of the Reaper: For 1 Essence and a touch, Demons with this attunement can do 1 point of damage body or mind damage, upon the Demon's choosing, to the one they are touching. Additional Essence causes additional damage. Death and Decay: Lilith's most feared Servitor attunement, reknowned for the sheer destruction it can cause. For 6 Essence, Demons with the Death and Decay attunement can rapidly cause the decomposition of any vessel or living being within their range of touch. The target need not be touched by the Demon. The time it takes for the body to fully decompose is number of minutes equal to double the Demon's corporeal Forces. ===== "Pure evil can't be stopped. Why do you even try?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 01:21:36 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> New Discord- Reliphobia At 04:18 PM 8/4/02 -0700, you wrote: >I have difficulty pronouncing these things. English is >not my mother-tongue. How *do* you pronounce 'em? In all instances, phobia is "FO bee ah". Theo(phobia): THEE oh Teleo(phobia): TEE lee oh (or) TEH lee oh (or) TAY lay oh Kaimelio(phobia): kye MAY lee oh Kaimeliophilia: kye MAY lee oh FEE lee ah Oneirokaimeliosis: oh NEE roh kye may lee OH sihs (or) oh NAY roh kye may lee OH sihs That's just an approximation in two cases, though: In "kaimeliophobia", "kai" (guided "kye") is pronounced exactly like the identical Japanese construction "kai"; in the second pronunciation of "oneirokaimeliosis", "nei" is also pronounced exactly like the identical Japanese construction "nei". - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:21:16 -0700 (PDT) From: W S Subject: Re: IN> New Discord- Reliphobia Reliphobia (REL-eh-foh-be-ah) is a word I made up, as it sounds vaugely like 'fear of religion' in what is commonly know as dog latin. Hooray for dog latin :) (Phobia is a common latin root that means 'fear of'- in practice, a phobia is an extraordinarly intense, paralyzing fear. Attach a latin word in front of it- voila, new intense fright factor. Trixodexaphobia- fear of teh number thirteen :) EDG's more accurate versions, I'm guessing, would be- theophobia - THEE-oh-foh-be-ah and teleophobia - TEL-e-oh-foh-be-ah I specifically choose reliphobia over theophobia, as theo, as in the root for theological, theology, etc, means faith, rather than the outward icons of a religion- which is what reliphobia focuses on. But that's pretty damn esoteric. Also reliphobia is a funny word :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:29:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... - --- John Dallman wrote: > So we soul-killed them. They didn't report back - > they could have reported > success of their initial moves, but then they just > vanished and they won't > be coming back. Well, there's certainly a high _violence_ factor in your game, but I don't think that we can judge Brightness without knowing which side is winning or Contrast without knowing motivations. Does your team routinely slaughter anything touched by Hell? Moe "I Hate Head Colds" Lane* *Who has been writing nastier demons lately, thankyouverymuch. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 15:30:16 +0300 (EEST) From: Mervi.Hamalainen@uta.fi Subject: Re: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... > In article <20020804202926.66506.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com>, > thunderdog_sa@yahoo.com (Michael Walton) wrote: > > John Dallman wrote: > > > What this *player* is wondering is what it says about our campaign > > > tone, by other people's standards. > > Dark, low contrast. > > That's what I thought people would say. But what else can you do, when > they won't take the hint and go away? > > - --- > John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk You could do what my former players did: Take them to Mother Novalis for TLC. They are much easier to redeem after that.:) (Admittedly, this was a group of Seraph of Dominic, Ofanite of Novalis and Mercurian and Elohite of Yves.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 10:39:31 -0600 From: Julian Mensch Subject: RE: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... > *Who has been writing nastier demons lately, > thankyouverymuch. :) I really meant no insult, Moe; honestly. I actually really enjoy your universe -- truly Bright RPG sources are a lot rarer than dark, angsty ones. - -- Julian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 16:59:18 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: RE: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... > I really meant no insult, Moe; honestly. I actually >really enjoy your universe -- truly Bright RPG sources >are a lot rarer than dark, angsty ones. This is true to a certain extent (read what's being published lately and you wonder if some RPG writers would benefit from a good dose of prune juice), but also this list tends to a fondness for angst, misery, fallen Malakim, etc. When is someone going to declare a Happy Endings Contest? Janet Anderson (who has lots of Bright ideas but very little time to write) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 10:38:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... - --- Julian Mensch wrote: > I'm actually going to disagree here. If your character > kills someone who is A) unrepentently evil, and B) cannot > be effectively corralled short of real death (which does > apply to Celestials) then that doesn't make a chronicle > Dark -- just not so Bright as to completely obscure the > realities of being in a war. True. I'm going by the the information given (which I admit was abridged enough that I may have missed something), in which the demons apparently weren't given the opportunity to surrender or Redeem. Sure, most demons aren't redemption material -- but several Words demand that the angel at least _try_. That doesn't seem to have been the case here, which in my mind makes the campaign medium-dark. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"There are two things that stand in the way of happy marriages

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__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 11:01:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Evil Mike part 4 > Dissonance Conditions: > It is dissonant while in Lilith's service to not kill > a number of beings of equivalent 5 Forces or more in > one day. This seems pretty steep even if they have the option of killing 5 Forces worth of small creatures (which is easier to get away with) instead of having to kill a Human or large animal (which is quicker). I think 5 Forces per week would do. > Balseraphim: > Whenever they convince someone to take their own life > willingly, they gain 1 Essence. Talking someone into suicide is a great Balseraph of Death Attunement -- but that Essence thing again! Maybe a bonus to talk someone into suicide instead (nor does it have to be Resonance dependent). > Djinn: > They can automatically attune to someone that they > wish to kill. However, they have one week to kill > them or they become highly dissonant. During this > week however, they cannot become dissonant. This has major problems. 1) It reverses the Djinn Dissonance condition, and 2) gives them a free week in which they can avoid Dissonance from other sources. Way too munchkiny, IMO. Remember, Dissonance conditions are there partly to enforce good roleplay. > Calabim: > Calabim can, with a touch, instantly cause the > desturction of anything artificial that is keeping a > person alive. This is quite good. I'd like it even better without the built-in Rite (way too many of those in your work). > Habbalah: > They are automatically successful at using their > resonance to give someone a reason to kill another. This is cool. It just needs a clause specifying how the CD is determined (Roll anyway? CD = Celestial Forces?). > Lilim: > Whenever a Lilim invokes a Geas, and the Geas is high > enough, the Lilim *must* invoke it so that the person > kills themselves or someone else. Should the Lilim > fail, the Geas is decreased by 1 level. This seems almost like a second Dissonance condition rather than an Attunement. Better would be a bonus to invoke a Geas to make someone kill. > Shedim: > Shedim of Death aren't angry at Lilim, they're afraid > of them. A Shedite in Lilith's service are unaffected > by their Band dissonance conditions if they are trying > to kill the Host. I have the same problem with this that I do with the Djinn Attunement. > Shedim may also, for 1 Essence, > possess the vessels of any Celestial if they have 3 or > more Forces than that Celestial. I really don't see how this is appropriate for Death. Theft, yes, but not Death. > Impudite: > Impudites of Death are primarily scavengers. If the > target is near death (GMs call), the Impudite can use > their resonance to drain Essence until the person is > dead. Said Essence must be used within 24 hours or be > lost however. Why not just state that they can drain Essence from those who are near death as if the subject is Charmed? The 24-hour limit is unnecessary. > Animate Dead: > Holders of this attunement can and 2 Essence, with a > touch, reanimate any corpse for a number of rounds > equal to the Demon's corporeal Forces. The reanimated > corpses have 5 Forces, 3 corporeal, 1 for the other > two. The duration is too short to be really useful, and the Essence cost is too low. My suggestion: Essence cost = Forces that the creature would've had in life, duration = (demon's CorF) hours. > Hands of the Reaper: > For 1 Essence and a touch, Demons with this attunement > can do 1 point of damage body or mind damage, upon the > Demon's choosing, to the one they are touching. > Additional Essence causes additional damage. I don't see any reason for Mind Hits to be included, as doing Mind Hits doesn't kill. This also needs a resistance roll of some kind. > Death and Decay: > Lilith's most feared Servitor attunement, reknowned > for the sheer destruction it can cause. For 6 > Essence, Demons with the Death and Decay attunement > can rapidly cause the decomposition of any vessel or > living being within their range of touch. The target > need not be touched by the Demon. The time it takes > for the body to fully decompose is number of minutes > equal to double the Demon's corporeal Forces. This also needs a resistance roll. Frankly, I'd combine this with Hands of the Reaper (which has the better name); just make that damage manifest in the form of decay. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

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__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:09 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: RE: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... In article <20020805173825.39616.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com>, thunderdog_sa@yahoo.com (Michael Walton) wrote: > True. I'm going by the the information given (which I > admit was abridged enough that I may have missed > something), in which the demons apparently weren't given > the opportunity to surrender or Redeem. I think they got asked if they wanted to redeem, but they didn't take it. They didn't know what would happen, but forced redemptions never take anyway. As for surrender, they went down fighting at the point when they were captured, without any attempt at negotiation on their part. That excepts the one who got away with Celestial Motion the first time, but the second time rolled minimal distance, and was then Essence-flat. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:09 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: RE: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... In article , jmensch@shaw.ca (Julian Mensch) wrote: > that doesn't make a chronicle Dark -- just not so Bright as > to completely obscure the realities of being in a war. I think that's more the way we're thinking. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 19:09 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... In article <20020805102954.85496.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com>, moelane_1999@yahoo.com (Maurice Lane) wrote: > Well, there's certainly a high _violence_ factor in > your game, but I don't think that we can judge > Brightness without knowing which side is winning or > Contrast without knowing motivations. Does your team > routinely slaughter anything touched by Hell? No Hellsworn have so far been recognised; one Belseraph of Lust redeemed, he being the only demon who wasn't engaged in activities that needed immediate stopping; various humans that Hell seemed interested in protected and/or rescued. As for winning - dunno, we've only got through about three weeks of game time, and while it's perfectly clear that at least two really odd things are going on in London, we haven't figured out what they mean or who's behind them yet. We have graunched a major Tether of Secrets, so I guess Heaven is currently ahead on points. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:21:41 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> *coughsnigger* At 7:25 PM -0700 8/2/02, WonderGecko wrote: >Like I said, we were working on the release of an iMalakite, too. "D >http://www.side7.com/cgi-bin/S7SDB/DisplayImg.pl?INO=185885 >...Anyone got any requests? :D Can you get them in any other color than Charcoal? *duck, run* - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:34:43 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... At 7:00 PM +0100 8/4/02, John Dallman wrote: >We took those demons down to the tether, and one at a time, killed their >vessels in the tether locus, thus forcing them into celestial form. (Doesn't work that way, in canon -- once in Trauma, they aren't forced into celestial form. They get sucked down to their Hearts before they take any damage. But anyway.) (Oh, and if you want a more canonical method, lock Will Shackles on 'em and ORDER them celestial. Eventually, they run out of Essence to resist... Or you can keep them knocked out and ask someone to invoke the Archangel whose Tether it is. "Look, Lord Commander of the Armies of God! We brought you a _present!_") > What this *player* is wondering is >what it says about our campaign tone, by other people's standards. Well, lessee... Tether of Vapula, Song of Seals, Malakite of War, Seraph of Destiny (to add insult to injury), and Kyriotate of Lightning with Will 12, Fighting, and NC: Acid, who is the one who basically got the kill. (We kicked its computer around till it bounced out of it, then ganged up on it. It didn't last 2 rounds, IIRC.) So, well... Destiny might feel a tad distressed, or at least sad that soul-killing demons was necessary. Ditto Creation. Possibly Lightning, depending. The others? Na. See evil, smite evil. Job well done. - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:27:58 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Quick Question At 9:07 AM -0400 8/4/02, BC Petery wrote: >> Occasionally dump him into a host which has a secret >> vice, like abusing animals, drugs, paedophilia, abuse, etc. -- something >> no good angel should overlook, but a Kyrio has to worry about damaging >> the host. That's always a nice fork. > >Fink him out to a Mercurian of Fire? A Cherub of Flowers? A Malakite of >War? (After the Kyrio leaves of course.) Depends on how mean the GM is being. Still, it does mean one has to worry about such things, so it's not all happiness and joy. >Random Thought: Would a Kyrio of Yves be able to access a demon's memory >while possessing his vessel? Up to the GM, methinks? (I don't recall canon on that, off the top of my head. I'd probably allow it. Mind, the demon knows someone swiped his vessel, and is stewing in the Marches... or beating feet for Beleth's Tower, depending.) - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 13:53:52 -0700 From: WonderGecko Subject: Re: IN> *coughsnigger* On 05.08.2002 1:21 PM, "Elizabeth McCoy" wrote: > At 7:25 PM -0700 8/2/02, WonderGecko wrote: >> Like I said, we were working on the release of an iMalakite, too. "D >> http://www.side7.com/cgi-bin/S7SDB/DisplayImg.pl?INO=185885 >> ...Anyone got any requests? :D > > Can you get them in any other color than Charcoal? > > *duck, run* We're contracting with Eli to get a Celestial Paintbrush and redo them in other colors. :D - --Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm ==== "Destiny is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice; it is not a thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be achieved." - -- William Jennings Brian ==== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 16:31:39 -0500 From: "Gregg Forge" Subject: Re: IN> ...Ur. >*waves her wings vaguely* I dunno. Mixed audiences, and all that. >Kamika-Z >is starting to scare me, come to think. Eep! *returns to >hiding behind Jack* > > >--Kim, Angel of Random Enthusiasm > Now, why would anyone be scared of someone who has this knack for cognitive dissonance, habbalistic tendancies, and the occasional bit of artistic vengeance? (^_^) Kamika-Z ...heh heh heh heh...haaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaaaa!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:03:59 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: RE: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... >This is true to a certain extent (read what's being published lately and >you wonder if some RPG writers would benefit from a good dose of prune >juice), but also this list tends to a fondness for angst, misery, fallen >Malakim, etc. When is someone going to declare a Happy Endings Contest? > > >Janet Anderson >(who has lots of Bright ideas but very little time to write) I have lotsa Bright and happy things! ><; Just... no real time... to write them in... yeah. Ack! Time to cracking I suppose. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 23:08 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... dorigen@hotmail.com (Janet Anderson) wrote: > If you kill a celestial's vessels, don't they end up in Trauma next to > their heart (except for Malakim)? They might *choose* to take > celestial form, but they wouldn't be *forced* to. Doh! Memory! My character wasn't present and I'd forgotten the details. No, killing vessels doesn't get the inhabitant out into celestial form; I forgot that the party got an artifact off some Gamesters who showed up briefly (If you remember my Rolebusters! post, that's what happened to them). It's a loop of gold wire: you put it round someone's neck and go celestial. If they're wearing a vessel, they're dragged with you into celestial form. If they're a mundane, nothing much happens except you wasted the essence for going celestial. Doing this in a strong Heavenly tether means crispy- fried demon, really. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 22:40:50 +0000 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... >I >forgot that the party got an artifact off some Gamesters who showed up >briefly (If you remember my Rolebusters! post, that's what happened to >them). It's a loop of gold wire: you put it round someone's neck and go >celestial. > >If they're wearing a vessel, they're dragged with you into celestial form. >If they're a mundane, nothing much happens except you wasted the essence >for going celestial. Ooo. The uses for that in my campaign ... All the angels would want it. All the demons would want it, if only to keep it away from the angels. The nearby Tether of War would be *drooling.* Consider it stolen. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 16:46:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: RE: IN> Contrasty, yes, dark, maybe... - --- Julian Mensch wrote: > > *Who has been writing nastier demons lately, > > thankyouverymuch. :) > > I really meant no insult, Moe; honestly. Don't worry about it: I'm just grumpy that I was so sick this weekend that I had to skip out of a party AND get no work done AND miss the last game of Casca's that I'm going to be able to play in for at least three weeks. Trifectas like that I can do without. :( Moving along to a more on-topic digression - hey, _there's_ an oxymoron for ya! - I've finally been able to track down an online version of Kipling's "On the Gate" - http://whitewolf.newcastle.edu.au/words/authors/K/KiplingRudyard/prose/DebtsandCredits/gate.html Sorry about the size of the link. Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2734 ********************************