in_nomine-digest Thursday, September 12 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2771 In this digest: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? Fwd: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? by Nigel Cole Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? IN> Free Malakite Quinel RE: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? RE: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? IN> Look, do yourself a favor and just read this in the morning... IN> The Commercial Channel IN> The Demon of Obeli RE: IN> Aruanah_-_Kyriotate_of_Creation,_Angel_of_The_Moment Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? IN> Imogene, Natural Soldier (Under Recruitment) IN> In Nomine books I will be getting Re: IN> Imogene, Natural Soldier (Under Recruitment) Re: IN> In Nomine books I will be getting IN> 93 Re: IN> 93 Re: IN> In Nomine books I will be getting Re: IN> 93 IN> Speaking of stories... Re: IN> Imogene, Natural Soldier (Under Recruitment) Re: IN> Imogene, Natural Soldier (Under Recruitment) RE: IN> Aruanah_-_Kyriotate_of_Creation,_Angel_of_The_Moment ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:54:00 +0000 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? >From: Elizabeth McCoy >Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:08:39 -0400 [snip] >He had oaths not to allow Heaven's honor to be tarnished, so every time >he turned aside from a snide demonic remark -- bing, dissonance. Protect >fellow servants of God could be a hard one, too, depending on if some angel >was being picked on. [...] Isn't this why Archangels can "adjust" the Oaths of their own Malakites, even if the Malakite doesn't ask? (And the Malakite *never* asks...). We end up back at the "David is dumber than Saminga" fork in the tree when trying to figure out the Revelations Cycle this way. In a non-buggy adventure, if the Archangel of Stone had an angel whose oaths genuinely precluded punishing him in this manner, then he'd simply have done something else. Or, at the very least, paid Maximilian a weekly visit to a) check on his progress, b) see if he'd finally learned his lesson, and c) take the Dissonance off. (As for the LA demons not liking a weekly visit by the Archangel of Stone -- well, would *you* want to be the demon who tried to stop him? He can't hit you unless you hit him first, and no demon in LA is going to try.) - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:41:14 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? by Nigel Cole >From: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [Nigel Cole ] (Remember the posters-l! www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/lists.html ) >From: Nigel Cole >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:22:37 +0000 > >On Wednesday 11 September 2002 08:19, Rens Houben wrote: >> That, and just how good is that Cloak of his at hiding dissonance and >> Discord? As a Seraph Archangel he can probable still use his >> resonance for Truth even through amounts of dissonance that would >> leave lesser angels straining in agony just to move.... > >Plus paranoia is *very* dangerous for Seraphim. The moment they start >doubting their resonance and believing their suspicions instead, >they're basically creating their own private version of the Symphony >where their own beliefs represent "truth", and are most of the way to >becoming Balseraphs. (In my opinion, angels who choose to act more like >their demonic counterparts should soon Fall, even if they somehow >manage to dodge dissonance.) > >That create's a nasty little feedback loop for Seraphim of Judgement, >especially in a less-than-serious game. One turns paranoid and falls; >those close to him think "One of my friends fell - I could be next - >can I trust my other friends?", and become more paranoid; they fall; >etc. :-) > >-- >Nigel Cole >nhcole@zebekia.co.uk > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:51:13 +0000 From: Nigel Cole Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? On Wednesday 11 September 2002 20:54, Charles Glasgow wrote: > We end up back at the "David is dumber than Saminga" fork in the tree > when trying to figure out the Revelations Cycle this way. In a > non-buggy adventure, if the Archangel of Stone had an angel whose > oaths genuinely precluded punishing him in this manner, then he'd > simply have done something else. Or, at the very least, paid > Maximilian a weekly visit to a) check on his progress, b) see if he'd > finally learned his lesson, and c) take the Dissonance off. The only explanation I could think of: David expected Max to end up hating demons so much that he'd choose to break his vow against making a suicidal attack; David would then "wipe the slate clean" when Max got out of trauma. That seems to fit the "tough love" side of David, and would justify him not checking up on Max constantly (Max would hardly be likely to break his vow if he thought David was watching him). The plan came unstuck thanks to Max's guilt, and desire not to disobey his Archangel. This doesn't explain why David didn't take action once his plans started to go awry, unless he hoped that it would work sooner-or-later, and he had absolute confidence that a Malakim couldn't fall. Maybe that's no so unrealistic - I've known real-life bosses who stuck to their plans even when it became apparent they were going disasterously wrong :-) - -- Nigel Cole zebekia@zebekia.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:56:08 +0000 From: "Sirea Theyal" Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? >This doesn't explain why David didn't take action once his plans started >to go awry, unless he hoped that it would work sooner-or-later, and he >had absolute confidence that a Malakim couldn't fall. Maybe that's no >so unrealistic - I've known real-life bosses who stuck to their plans >even when it became apparent they were going disasterously wrong :-) Sadly, that's what most sensible people call "stupid", or "stubborn", or even "thick-headed as hell" -.- I can see David as being stubborn, but not so much so that he'd be a prideful moron. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:47:31 +0000 From: Nigel Cole Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? On Wednesday 11 September 2002 08:19, Rens Houben wrote: > That, and just how good is that Cloak of his at hiding dissonance and > Discord? As a Seraph Archangel he can probable still use his > resonance for Truth even through amounts of dissonance that would > leave lesser angels straining in agony just to move.... Plus paranoia is *very* dangerous for Seraphs. The moment they start doubting their resonance and believing their suspicions instead, they're basically creating their own private version of the Symphony where their own beliefs represent "truth", and are most of the way to becoming Balseraphs. (In my opinion, angels who choose to act more like their demonic counterparts should soon Fall, even if they somehow manage to dodge dissonance.) That create's a nasty little feedback loop for Seraphs of Judgement, especially in a less-than-serious game. One turns paranoid and falls; those close to him think "One of my friends fell - I could be next - can I trust my other friends?", and become more paranoid; they fall; etc. :-) - -- Nigel Cole zebekia@zebekia.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:35:48 -0400 From: EDG Subject: IN> Free Malakite Quinel Kicking, as Beth says, the canon. ("Man, that's far out," I think, were her exact words.) - -EDG Quinel Free Malakite Corporeal Forces: 3 Strength: 6 Agility: 6 Ethereal Forces: 3 Intelligence: 6 Precision: 6 Celestial Forces: 3 Will: 6 Perception: 6 Skills: Acrobatics/2, Climbing/2, Fighting/3, Knowledge (Area (Heaven/5), Covert Ops/3), Languages (English/3), Move Silently/2, Ranged Weapon (Handgun/3, Rifle/3, Shotgun/3), Running/2, Small Weapon (Knife/3, Sap/3) Songs: Form (Ethereal/3), Tongues (Celestial/3), Thunder/1 Attunements: None Oaths: I will not suffer an evil to live, if it is my choice. I will not surrender to the forces of Hell, nor allow myself to be captured by them. I will not allow emotional response to interfere with assigned or undertaken duty. I will complete each task that I undertake or am assigned. Quinel is what happens when a reliever gets randomly created out of the Symphony without anybody looking, and then manages to fledge while everybody's looking the other way. Nobody's quite sure where he came from, and he certainly doesn't know; the first thing he remembers is flying out of a Tether to Creation years ago, and the rest has just been helping people out and doing favors. In return he's collected a variety of skills and Songs, although he hasn't yet taken an attunement or a vessel (not that they haven't been offered, but they usually come with a service contract that Quinel isn't sure he wants to take). Instead, he roams the Eternal City, happy to help anyone he comes upon and generally a cheerfully stoic person. He'll never shirk a duty, and unless he's on assignment he's always ready to help. His Earth experience has been brief; at the end of a confusing day (involving, among other things, a demon following an angel to his Heart), he found himself in celestial form at the bottom of a Tether to Flowers. He wandered for a bit before the Seneschal discovered him and dragged him back to the locus, but he's got a yen to see it again now. Of course, he figures he'll need a vessel to do that, so the prospect of getting a Superior is looking better and better. Unfortunately, the only one he's really interested in hasn't been seen for fifty years... (Quinel is a balanced starting character, as written. He has 5 extra points in Skills and Songs to reflect his lack of a choir attunement.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:49:48 +0100 From: "Nick Ashton" Subject: RE: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? On Behalf Of Charles Glasgow > Sent: 11 September 2002 21:54 > Isn't this why Archangels can "adjust" the Oaths of their own Malakites, > even if the Malakite doesn't ask? (And the Malakite *never* asks...). > > We end up back at the "David is dumber than Saminga" fork in the > tree when > trying to figure out the Revelations Cycle this way. Yea, that doesn't work too well. I haven't got RevIV but I've read the story in the beginning (excuse me therefore if I talk from a position of ignorance) but what if you adjust the tale so that the dissonance is not a result of the Malikim's oaths, but of David's dissonance conditions? Hes not supposed to even go beating on Demons, and he doesn't, but he does get riled into striking them without being hit first. This might even be double dissonance if David has ordered him to keep his cool and not attack the locals at all. The demon's would still put up with him and take the punches (and occasional vessel death), knowing that Malakim dissonance is a *good thing* in the long run. Doesn't explain why David's monitoring of the situation is so off though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:17:37 +0000 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: RE: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? >From: "Nick Ashton" >Subject: RE: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? >Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:49:48 +0100 >Doesn't explain why David's monitoring of the situation is so off though. Especially given that what seemed like at least half the demons in LA kept treating Maximilian like a harmless pet. That "pet" has ears and a memory. If *I* were David, *I'd* be giving Max a weekly de-briefing for every bit of rumor, gossip, and other such intelligence he'd been able to overhear. Sure, none of the demons are going to invite him to their War planning sessions... but there is always that temptation to brag, or that tendency to let slip, and those LA parties they were having involve lots of demons in altered states of mind anyway... You know, making Max's penance something other than an act of pointless sadism. Such as also simultaneously making it a genuine contribution to the war effort. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:29:24 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> Look, do yourself a favor and just read this in the morning... >> Forgive me when I say I think I'm going to be >> violently SICK >_< > >I guess that means that you don't want to hear about >what Vapula did with the ducklings, huh? > >Moe > So this Mercurian walks up to Novalis with a kitten on his head. Novalis says, "That's the strangest Dissonance I've ever seen." The kitten replies, "Yeah, I just woke up and there was this bump on my butt!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:29:24 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> The Commercial Channel >> The irritating part is that I can see someone actually >> creating this network. > > Or at least making it a feature on TV Land. Actually, it is. (Or was. I don't watch it.) When they were just starting out they used to fill in unsold commercial slots with "Classic Commercials." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:29:25 -0400 From: BC Petery Subject: IN> The Demon of Obeli So the Demon of Footnotes is actually nothing more than a footnote... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:05:15 +0100 From: "Nick Ashton" Subject: RE: IN> Aruanah_-_Kyriotate_of_Creation,_Angel_of_The_Moment > > Actually I was as much if not more concerned with > > a) Whether Aru should really be an Ofanim? > > I was actually surprised that you went with Kyrio; a > Wheel seems perfect for this Word. Of course, going with > something other than the obvious can produce rewarding > results sometimes. True... still not 100% sure but I see Aru a bit more laid back than most Wheels (perhaps even Ofanim of The Moment would be more laid back than most Wheels). Kyrio fits better with the 'moment in everything' aspect anyway. > > > b) How to work his attunements if he does go Archangel... > > With the focus that you've given, Moment Attunements > might well be tied to extending the perceptions of the > subject or eliminating distractions, thus increasing a > Human's ability to live in (but not _for_) the moment. Intuition, amnesty, absolution, music, revelry, insouciance, meditation, primal unity, er... I think the biggest fun will be had with Aru's Dissonance Conditions, I envisage it being dissonant for his servitors to involve themselves in creating a plan of more than about 10 words, or to follow through on someone else's plan without adding some unexpected touches of their own... they'll be worse than servitors of Janus and should drive the other PCs nutso! :/) > > c) What to throw into the scenarios to reflect the > > polical maneouvrings that > > might accompany the appointment of Aruanah as an > > Archangel, and in > > particular how this affects the PC group. > > That's only a factor if Aru is elevated by the Seraphim > Council. If Aru is granted AA status by God, the politics > will be entirely a matter of reactions. Which way did you > plan to go? > Dunno yet, it might need God to make the decision... as I said I'm going to start with the DP of Rock & Roll storyline, and giving Aru a big influence over music will fit in well with this line. But what I want to do is involve the group in the periphery of some wranglings, especially since Aruanah himself will not be in the least interested in promoting his case ('Plans? Plans can wait until tomorrow!'). Not so much what happens if he becomes an AA as what happens when the Council start taking the idea seriously? Laurence and Dominic are bound to be against such a wilfully inconstant Angel being elevated, but Novalis and Blandine are bound to see the advantages his approach has provided. The attitude of Yves will be interesting... although Aru's attitude is far from condusive to building towards a Destiny, the Intuition he champions is a great shield against Fate. But how can I make the PCs feel a part of this? Beyond just dropping hints at them? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:00:58 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? At 8:54 PM +0000 9/11/02, Charles Glasgow wrote: >>From: Elizabeth McCoy >>Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? >>Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:08:39 -0400 > >[snip] >>He had oaths not to allow Heaven's honor to be tarnished, so every time >>he turned aside from a snide demonic remark -- bing, dissonance. Protect >>fellow servants of God could be a hard one, too, depending on if some angel >>was being picked on. [...] > >Isn't this why Archangels can "adjust" the Oaths of their own Malakites, >even if the Malakite doesn't ask? (And the Malakite *never* asks...). Oh, sure. I mean, "Slay every demon I encounter, whether I know it's a demon or not," is a classic example of Overachiever New Fledge and tends to get adjusted... >We end up back at the "David is dumber than Saminga" fork in the tree when >trying to figure out the Revelations Cycle this way. Or that he was Really Peeved at Max and wanted to Teach Him A Lesson He Wouldn't Forget. Remember, we're talking Stone here. Tough, hard, and prone to thinking in geological time. He probably figured that he'd pick up a wiser angel in a few more decades. I think that aspect can fall under the concept of, "Superiors are not all-knowing and can make mistakes. Even, occasionally, a Really Stupid One." There are other problems with FotM, primarily in the fact that LA is Really Freaking Huge and should be leaking angels like a sieve if they felt like showing up. There are patches, but they probably rely more on Vapulan Impudites (or at least their glasses) than Gamesters, and even then... This may be a design feature, to permit PCs to sneak in, except that much of the text suggests that angelic PCs should be subjected to the hazing bit. (Torturing the PCs is something that, far as I can tell, the original French version did a lot of the time; cf framing them for nun-defilement. Or getting mixed up with members of the opposite side "romantically" while under the influence of Archangel Jesus' Hippie Luv power when he felt like having a real party at his bar.) (Of course, it also trapped Dominique in the body of a <> for a while, so one can hardly claim that it wasn't equal-opprotunity torment.) - --Beth, arcangel@io.com / archangel@sjgames.com In Nomine Line Editor http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:02:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Mason Kramer Subject: Re: IN> Revelations Cycle = Buggy? Elizabeth McCoy Said: > Oh, sure. I mean, "Slay every demon I encounter, whether I know it's > a demon or not," is a classic example of Overachiever New Fledge and > tends to get adjusted... "Hey, the Malakite just got dissonant! There must be a demon in the area!" Yeah, I know it wouldn't work, but it it sure would be a good secondary use for the Malacanary in the party, wouldn't it? Mason Angel of... um... I forget.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:01:40 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: IN> Imogene, Natural Soldier (Under Recruitment) Want the ref? Robinson, Barbara. _Best Christmas Pageant Ever, The._ Yes, *that* Imogene. O:^) - ---------- Sister Imogene Mary Herdman Natural Soldier In Nomine statistics (basic) Corporeal Forces - 1 Strength 3 Agility 2 Ethereal Forces - 1 Intelligence 3 Precision 2 Celestial Forces - 4 Will 6 Perception 10 Attunement: (eventually) Purity of Purpose, Divine Mediation Relic: (eventually) Pocket Bible Skills: Teaching and Theology are her main skills -- she's a nun that works with kids in her area, including teaching Sunday School. From childhood, she still remembers a bit about Lockpicking; she actually keeps Fast-Talk and Move Silently at decent levels. She also has the usual human skills: driving, knowledge of her area, how to get along in rougher neighborhoods. GURPS statistics (Not a straight conversion from the above. The system, not unsurprisingly for such an odd human, broke a bit.) ST 9 DX 8 IQ 12 HT 9 Advantages: Natural Soldier package (with Celestial Power Investiture +1 instead of Corporeal); (Attunements may come later) Purity of Purpose; Divine Mediation; Strong Will +3; Alertness +6; Clerical Investment; Disadvantages: Reduced Hit Points -1; Imaginative; Quirks: wants to find elder brother Roger; energetic about expressing her opinion; smoker (about once a month, but fairly expensive cigars) Skills: See above for the same general notes. Equipment: (eventually) Pocket Bible(relic); standard accoutrements of a middle-aged nun in a major city. - ---------- It happened in the sixth grade. Imogene Herdman went Mary-crazy. The Christmas pageant was what started it, of course. She got a picture of Mary and started carrying it around, and after that nobody could say anything bad about the Holy Family around her. Horace Reiner said that Joseph seemed pretty out of it most of the time, and Imogene thought he was saying Joseph was stupid or high or something and gave him a shiner for it. His mom was so mad that she actually went up to Sproul Hill to see the Herdmans about it, and came back with the same eye blacked and her purse missing. Nobody thought it was really fair, either, because anytime someone said something like that and Imogene had given them what-for, she always went down to the church and asked the same questions. Father Morrison was good about answering them, too. Imogene could ask the kind of questions that made you think very carefully about the answer, like what God used His bow for before He made it a rainbow -- did He shoot things with it? But Father Morrison always had an answer that seemed to satisfy her. He told her Bible stories, the kind he thought a Herdman would like, which might have been a mistake, because he told her about the burning of Sodom and Gomorrah just before the annual pot-luck dinner, and Imogene had asked that Sunday in front of all the middle-school kids how anyone was sure that Lot's wife wasn't in the salt shakers. That one bothered us, a lot. How did you know, really? So we stopped eating salty foods -- even Eugene, the fat kid -- like potato chips and french fries. The Tasti-Lunch Diner was hit so hard that whole week that they asked a man from the salt company to come out and give a talk, and he explained about where they got salt from (they dig it up from a mine, would you believe it) in Texas, and nowhere near Sodom, which was over in the Middle East. He took the kids down to the Tasti-Lunch Diner and ordered fries for everyone, and Imogene made sure to watch him eat some before she stole pocketfuls herself to take home for dinner. But the adults said that he *had* paid for the fries already, and it was for anybody that wanted some. Besides, they said, they hadn't ever seen their kids eating as healthy as they had that week, so everyone (except maybe the Tasti-Lunch people) were happy with it in the end. Eventually some of the kids starting hanging out at church after school in the back pews to hear Imogene (sometimes with her siblings tagging along) ask strange questions of Father Morrison. (It was always Father Morrison, and I learned a long time later that he figured out when Imogene would be coming in the afternoons and made sure he was putting music in the choir's places, and not in the confessional or something, so he could be seen.) It was like catechism, but a lot more interesting. Alice Wendleken, who was in the same grade with me and Imogene, was one of those that stayed and watched, because (she said) she liked to hear Father Morrison defeating the infidel. She was like us, though -- waiting for Father Morrison to get around to Hell. He had avoided the subject for a long time, talking about Heaven(where you went if you were good), and Purgatory(where you went if you were bad but sorry for it), and staying off of Hell for a while. But he got around to it one day, and we all watched. And he didn't beat around the bush or anything once he got started. He explained about eternal torment, and how you got there (you were bad, and you weren't at all sorry for it), but good Catholics didn't have to worry about it. We all held our breath and looked at Imogene. Imogene rubbed her ankle for a second, and turned to look at her brothers and sister. "Figures," said Alice. "She'd never think she'd be the one going. She was never sorry for anything she did." I was sorry, though. You couldn't do something bad, knowing it was bad, and then claim you were sorry later, because you wouldn't truly be. But right that moment, I was truly sorry that it would be un-Christian to slap Alice Wendleken. Because if you'd ever seen Imogene with her shoes off, you'd know that she'd burned her ankle when the Herdmans lit Leroy's (stolen) chemistry set on fire and burned down an old building. And she was looking at Gladys, the youngest, and I saw her face. To me, she looked afraid. Not for herself -- Imogene Herdman would die before she showed fear for herself -- but for Gladys and the rest of them. I think I was right, too, because she turned back to Father Morrison, and with a stare that you could use to ring the bells and a voice that could have been them, asked, "Where do you sign up to be a Catholic?" And that was pretty much the turning point. Alice fainted dead away, and I don't think she was ever quite the same again. She even helped the Herdmans learn their catechism, though I think she partially wanted to show off too. The Herdmans weren't the best of students -- they still didn't go to school unless they were bored -- but they learned it eventually, and Gladys and Ollie went through Confirmation and everything. Except for Roger, the Herdmans all eventually graduated high school -- sort of. The high school teachers weren't any happier about having two Herdmans in the same class as the elementary school teachers had been. Some of them might have been able to stomach it, but Imogene and Gladys at least started pulling passing grades, and the boys were terrors enough that they moved on. Roger probably would have graduated if he had stayed, but he had never caught on to church, and he hopped a railroad car at 16 and left town. Some people said Imogene couldn't threaten him hard enough because he was bigger than she was, which I think was maybe true. Anyway, he took the cat, which relieved a lot of people. The boys that stayed got jobs doing stuff around town, and Gladys left for the city and got married. Imogene had other plans, though. She never really stopped asking questions, and finally Father Morrison decided the only thing to do for it was to send her off to become an expert. The next time I saw Imogene, I had been invited to a dinner with her at a place near her convent because I was moving to the same city. I knew her instantly. There she was, sitting at a table, comfortable as ever, wearing her habit and smoking a really expensive cigar. If I had ever thought I'd see a nun smoking a cigar and public and not at all ashamed about it, it... well, no, it probably wouldn't have been Sister Imogene Mary Herdman, because I never would have pictured her in a convent in the first place. But there was still something right about it. Something that was very much Imogene and nobody else. She was looking at a list of names, which I guessed were the kids she worked with. I saw "Laurence" and "Christopher" circled as she put the list in her pocket and greeted me. I didn't know who they were, or why she was interested in them -- but I grinned as I hugged Imogene and thought: whoever they were, boy were they in for it. - ------------- Imogene is a natural Soldier who was located just after she took her final vows. It wasn't hard to notice her -- she just talked about things. How was she to know that all nuns didn't start seeing things and hearing music everywhere after they became nuns? Angelic PCs who make contact with the young nun "having visions" (though she's quieted down about them) may be in for some genteel inter-Word rivalry as several Superiors try to claim Imogene's services. There certainly will be competition -- Imogene will make a valuable Soldier. Not on the front lines -- despite having fleshed out a bit as she grew up (added 1 to Strength) and settled down from her initially scattershot style (added 1 to Precision), she is, bodily, rather fragile. No, what makes Imogene so incredible is the shining soul that lives in her. She combines the elusive (for Heaven) human perspective on the Symphony with a piercing eye for essentials that rivals all but the most perceptive angels, and a will cast in bronze that was forged early in her life. Almost any Word would consider her an asset; the Sword will be particularly appealing to her for its patronage of the Church, the Wind for its excitement and fun in Heaven's service, and Children would reflect her work in the Church, which is trying to reach out to the youth of the city. Imogene can also be encountered as a recruited Soldier working for nearly any Archangel, possibly provided with both Attunements and the Relic from the recruitment process -- then left with them when she put them to good use in her work. (Imagine a teacher that can quiet down any class by speaking to them, or judge any dispute fairly; and do the same on the rough streets of a bad neighborhood.) She can also make an excellent Disturbance monitor, a good source for clues if she finds out some of the plot (just have her notice something in the story she's told), or a colorfully observant "advisor" NPC. William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:55:38 -0600 From: Brian Westcott Subject: IN> In Nomine books I will be getting I thought I would let you all know which In Nomine books I will be getting in trade for these items that I will be mailing out tomorrow: Guardians of Order: Silver Age Sentinels Deluxe Limited Edition Tri-Stat (13-001) Mayfair Games: DC Heroes RPG: Batman Sourcebook (MFG205) Mayfair Games: DC Heroes RPG: Belle Reve Sourcebook (MFG230) Mayfair Games: DC Heroes RPG: Justice League Sourcebook (MFG241) Mayfair Games: DC Heroes RPG: The Atlas of the DC Universe (MFG247) Mayfair Games: DC Heroes RPG: The New Titans Sourcebook (MFG252) Mayfair Games: DC Heroes RPG: Swamp Thing (MFG256) Mayfair Games: DC Heroes RPG: Who’s Who in the DC Universe #1 (MFG260) Mayfair Games: DC Heroes RPG: Legion of Super-Heroes: 2995 Sourcebook (MFG263) Mayfair Games: DC Heroes RPG: Who’s Who in the DC Universe #3 (MFG264) West End Games: DC Universe RPG: DC Universe Role Playing Game Core Rule Boxed Edition (52003) West End Games: DC Universe RPG: Directive on Superpowers (52012) West End Games: DC Universe RPG: D.E.O. Agent Manual (52013) West End Games: DC Universe RPG: Gotham City Sourcebook (52009) West End Games: DC Universe RPG: JLA Sourcebook (52006) West End Games: DC Universe RPG: JSA Sourcebook (52008) West End Games: DC Universe RPG: Magic Handbook (52011) West End Games: DC Universe RPG: Metropolis Sourcebook (52004) And these are the In Nomine books I will be getting in return, hopefully: In Nomine Core Rules (3301) Revelations #2 - The Marches (3305) Revelations #3 - Heaven and Hell (3306) Corporeal Players' Guide (3315) Gamemaster's Guide (3317) Liber Canticorum (3312) Liber Servitorum (3314) Superiors 1 - War and Honor (3320) Superiors 3 - Hope and Prophecy (3322) Revelations #5 - The Final Trumpet (3311) Someone actually suggested to me that I should get Nobilis instead of In Nomine. Personally, I love In Nomine better than Nobilis! I love the politics between the different Superiors in both the Angels and the Demons. By the way, from an In Nomine perspective, which Demon Princes were stupid enough to orchestrate something like the September 11, 2001 tragedy? Let me guess: Baal and Saminga, right? Or maybe the Word Bound Demon of Terrorism? Anyway, I can't wait to get the books! Brian Westcott brian@brianrich.net Meridian, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:11:32 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Imogene, Natural Soldier (Under Recruitment) From: "William J. Keith" > > Yes, *that* Imogene. O:^) You are a very sick man. And whatever you're smoking, I want some of. The story you wrote was beautiful. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:18:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine books I will be getting On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Brian Westcott wrote: > I thought I would let you all know which In Nomine books I will be > getting in trade for these items that I will be mailing out tomorrow: Er... why? - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! Want to hold up a bank in Latin? "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam." (I have a catapult. Give me all the money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:42:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> 93 I'm not entirely happy how this came out, but then I doubt that I'll ever be. It is honestly meant and I gave it my best shot, so let that be enough. http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/stories/Homecoming.htm God bless them. Maurice Lane ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/13/02(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:55:43 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> 93 From: "Maurice Lane" > > I'm not entirely happy how this came out, but then I > doubt that I'll ever be. It is honestly meant and I > gave it my best shot, so let that be enough. I don't have the words, so I'll just say thank you for sharing this. > God bless them. Amen. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:54:09 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine books I will be getting > >By the way, from an In Nomine perspective, which Demon Princes were >stupid enough to orchestrate something like the September 11, 2001 >tragedy? Let me guess: Baal and Saminga, right? Or maybe the Word >Bound Demon of Terrorism? > > Actually, from what I gathered from the posts in reference to the attack (albeit from a couple of months after it) and from such fine IN fan literature as Michael Cleveland's Marc bit, the general consensus would be none. Quite simply- humans did it. Mortals engineered it. Financed it. Set up the players. Put forth the plans. Carried it through. Sure, there's always Belial for the fires. And yeah, there's Saminga for the general death that occured. But a few places in the IN books (course, I might be extrapolating after reading them months ago) it seemed that the point was made that we are our own worst enemies. The reason why humanity is fought over so savagely on both sides is because we have such potential in us for being both saintly paragons of virtue and the most fiendishly evil of bastards. That *something* that celestials don't have allows for us to reach the true extremes of either pole. I found it- almost- humorous that every Demon Prince claims to have Hitler's soul in their principality. Oh, and then there was the much debated post about the attack as being a part of Khalid's machinations. Something about how only an Elohite Superior could do such a thing. Still, we're talking something severely Dark and Low Contrast to the point of for that scenario. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:58:13 -0400 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> 93 ::clap:: Seriously. And, somehow (I think it's due to my near drowning in all of the mythology that I've read thus far) I got the Valkyrie reference almost immediately. The name was too Norse sounding. That and the reference to her eyes as grey as the Baltic Sea- perfect. A good tribute for heroes. Nicely done, Moe. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 01:01:06 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> Speaking of stories... I'm gradually getting things that were on my old website posted to the new domain. The first of these is "Gone to Graveyards," which I hope that those of you who hadn't already seen it will enjoy. http://www.islagiatt.org/stories/GTG/graveyards.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 05:57:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Imogene, Natural Soldier (Under Recruitment) - --- "William J. Keith" wrote: > Imogene had asked that Sunday in front of all the > middle-school kids how > anyone was sure that Lot's wife wasn't in the salt > shakers. Oh, the pain... I really like this character, though. I've always had a soft spot for tough nuns. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:30:30 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Imogene, Natural Soldier (Under Recruitment) A very nice character sketch, and a human IN character that sounds like she could compete for limelight on an equal footing with angels and demons, without being a superhero. Thank you. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:53:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> Aruanah_-_Kyriotate_of_Creation,_Angel_of_The_Moment - --- Nick Ashton wrote: > True... still not 100% sure but I see Aru a bit more laid > back than most Wheels Not unreasonable, as you need the ability to just _be_ in order to serve that Word adequately. Ofanim are driven to _do_, which is almost anthetical to that Word. > (perhaps even Ofanim of The Moment would be more > laid back than most Wheels). They'd pretty much have to be. Their drive for movement would likely be more focused on experience than activity. Say, there's a Choir Attunement for you: "Aruanah's Wheels gain no Dissonance for being still if they do so to engage in a new experience or encourage someone else to do so." Howzat? > Conditions, I envisage it being dissonant for his > servitors > to involve themselves in creating a plan of more than > about > 10 words, or to follow through on someone else's plan > without > adding some unexpected touches of their own... The no-planning part wouldn't necessarily be limited by complexity but by time, i.e. they couldn't wasted time nitpicking on a plan when they could be out there experiencing. As for meddling with others' plans, the Moment doesn't necessarily require chaos (Janus does that quite well on his own, thank you); it could just as easily be a moment of peace in the midst of chaos. What I do see, though, is it being Dissonant for angels of the Moment to become complacent; they should have to take time now and then to be part of the current moment instead of letting themselves get caught up in the daily grind. > Laurence and Dominic are bound to be against such a > wilfully inconstant > Angel being elevated, but Novalis and Blandine are bound > to see the advantages his approach has provided. Actually, Laurence would see tactical value in a force whose actions can't be reliably predicted by the enemy -- that's why he makes so much use of Janus. Larry also appreciates angels who do tangible good for humanity; see his comments on Blandine. > But how can I make the PCs feel a part of this? Beyond > just dropping hints at them? Assuming that none of them are Aruanites? Let them befriend an Aruanite NPC. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Don't repent. Stop sinnin'." -- old cowboy saying

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