in_nomine-digest Monday, November 18 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2865 In this digest: Re: IN> Releiver Nicknames Re: IN> Professional Courtesy (Episode 11) Re: IN> Releiver Nicknames Re: IN> Most difficult choir/sup combo? Re: IN> Releiver Nicknames Re: IN> Professional Courtesy (Episode 11) Re: IN> Releiver Nicknames Re: IN> Professional Courtesy (Episode 11) Re: IN> Some quick thoughts on unarmed combat Re: IN> Some quick thoughts on unarmed combat Re: IN> Mortals Re: IN> Releiver Nicknames Re: IN> Mortals RE: IN> Releiver Nicknames Re: IN> Releiver Nicknames RE: IN> Releiver Nicknames RE: IN> Releiver Nicknames Re: IN> Releiver Nicknames Re: IN> Professional Courtesy (Episode 11) Re: IN> Some quick thoughts on unarmed combat Re: IN> Mortals RE: IN> Releiver Nicknames RE: IN> Releiver Nicknames Re: IN> Mortals IN> Dark Dominion, In Nomine books and C.O.B.R.A. Re: IN> Professional Courtesy (Episode 11) IN> Cowboy Bebop, IN Style Re: IN> Professional Courtesy (Episode 11) Re: IN> Releiver Nicknames IN> Dogma In Nomine Style Re: IN> Some quick thoughts on unarmed combat RE: IN> Releiver Nicknames Re: IN> Some quick thoughts on unarmed combat Re: IN> Releiver Nicknames Re: IN> Mortals Re: IN> Dogma In Nomine Style ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:58:00 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Releiver Nicknames For the most part- "Awwwwwwwh." >Gabriel - "sparks" or: Flickers? Flames? >Marc - "penny candy" or: Interns? Josh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:27:35 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Professional Courtesy (Episode 11) I LOVED THIS!!! Radical Ed...um..I mean Ed, (yes my favorite character from that anime-and you may not have even based this one from that one) and Tebah's interactions were fantastic! Made my lunch break and my day (a Monday at that). Thank you Beth!!!! *streams essence at you* Wow! I'm going to read this again, it was so cute! And I don't just mean Ed, how Tebah was trying to handle her was just as nice. Enough ramblings, back to a second read or more. Jeff =) - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:29:02 -0700 From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" Subject: Re: IN> Releiver Nicknames "Angels" Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:45:47 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Most difficult choir/sup combo? Unni Solaas said unto us: > Which leads me to think that Novalis' Malakim are either rather heavy on the > Ethereal forces, or are never let out without a brainy parther in tow...;) Or not let out unless things have gotten *really* terrible. A demon with reliable intelligence and strong Ethereal forces would know that when Flowers has decided to send in the hit squad, you are in a bad place. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:55:25 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Releiver Nicknames I rather like these. A few suggestions, though: - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Gabriel - "sparks" How about "embers?" > Litheroy - "junior reporters" "Pages" or "heralds" > Marc - "penny candy" Or just "pennies" > Michael - "toy soldiers" Or "cadets" > Zadkiel - "pillows" Hmmm... not Protectiony enough, IMO. Maybe a kind of small shield -- but "kites" is a reference most people wouldn't get and "targets" is too big a temptation for any demon to pass up. Maybe "bracers," but I'm not crazy about it. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18." -- Albert Einstein

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:28:01 -0800 (PST) From: trupke@captainamericafans.com Subject: Re: IN> Professional Courtesy (Episode 11) > Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:28:59 -0500 > From: Archangel Beth > > "Ed!" she chirped happily, though quietly enough. "It means witness!" > Oh dear. Ed as an angel. I'm never going to be able to watch Cowboy Bebop with a straight face again. (Though that might explain her computer... it would have to be from Eli, rather than Jean, though. I can't see Lightning producing anything with that many smiley faces.) _________________________________________ ComicBookResources.com - The comic site you have to visit. Free e-mail for Comic Book Fans at http://www.cbrmail.com/ CBR Mail is sponsored by www.MyComicShop.com/cbr/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:22:30 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Releiver Nicknames > >> Zadkiel - "pillows" > > Hmmm... not Protectiony enough, IMO. Maybe a kind of > small shield -- but "kites" is a reference most people > wouldn't get and "targets" is too big a temptation for any > demon to pass up. Maybe "bracers," but I'm not crazy about it. > Maybe Bucklers would be a good one? --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:25:50 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: Re: IN> Professional Courtesy (Episode 11) trupke@captainamericafans.com writes: >> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:28:59 -0500 >> From: Archangel Beth >> >> "Ed!" she chirped happily, though quietly enough. "It means witness!" >> > Oh dear. Ed as an angel. I'm never going to be able to watch Cowboy Bebop > with a straight face again. (Though that might explain her computer... it > would have to be from Eli, rather than Jean, though. I can't see Lightning > producing anything with that many smiley faces.) > I always casted Ed as A Remnanted Ofanite of Lightning :D --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:14 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Some quick thoughts on unarmed combat In article <20021118133915.85804.qmail@web13205.mail.yahoo.com>, thunderdog_sa@yahoo.com (Michael Walton) wrote: > Yes! Somebody gets it! Gosh, thanks. > I once went round and round with > a GM about different fighting styles and why Strength > wasn't an appropriate Attribute for controlling all of them > (though in this case my character was a Capoeirista and I > was pushing for Agility). I think Agility or Strength are likely to be appropriate for all fighting styles in the corporeal realm. > I disagree with this only on the > choice of Attributes -- I don't think Perception works, but > Precision might (some joint locks depend on the attacker's > manual dexterity; as a judoka, I've used/been in enough of > them to know). Whoops! I wasn't explicit about Perception being what you use to do grappling in celestial combat, just as you use Will with Fighting in celestial. That's all it means. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:14 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Some quick thoughts on unarmed combat In article <007a01c28ec7$a0b8d8e0$1be93744@elkrdg01.md.comcast.net>, misha89@comcast.net (Michael Nutt) wrote: > >You can't attack someone you've grappled without letting go of > >them... > ... unless you've got the appropriate Numinous Corpus activated. GMs > are encouraged to be creative with this -- a Grappled target might be > unable to dodge Acid, Tail, or blows from extra Arms, for example. Good point. I wouldn't say "unable to dodge", I'd say "penalty to dodge of the current grappling CD". - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:14 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Mortals In article <5.1.1.6.2.20021118092644.02b23a50@pop.earlham.edu>, anthoch@earlham.edu (EDG) wrote: > Now, Moe has brought up a valid point: under this system, a baseline > Soldier is a match for a baseline newly-fledged demon. (Remember, O ye > wise readers, that while starting infernal PCs have 9 Forces, they > fledge at 7.) I don't personally think that this is a bad thing > (Sirea, at least, will appreciate giving Soldiers even footing with new > demons), but some of you might; I'll leave it at that. Seems OK to me. I've always assumed that while Demons may fledge at 7 forces, that don't get given responsibility (like being earthly Troubleshooters) until they reach 9 forces. The extra maltreatment and humiliation while they accumulate the experience is good for their attitude - and have you ever seen anything so pathetic as a Belseraph with only two celestial forces? - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 04:14:44 +0800 From: "Jeffery Watkins" Subject: Re: IN> Releiver Nicknames > > Michael - "toy soldiers" > > Or "cadets" > > > Zadkiel - "pillows" > > Hmmm... not Protectiony enough, IMO. Maybe a kind of > small shield -- but "kites" is a reference most people > wouldn't get and "targets" is too big a temptation for any > demon to pass up. Maybe "bracers," but I'm not crazy about it. > Nice alternatives, particularly embers and cadets. I can see toy soldiers not going over well. As for Zadkiel how about bucklers? Though you might come across people who didn't know that was a small shield worn on the left arm. Jeff =) - -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:16:21 -0600 From: "Wade Lahoda" Subject: Re: IN> Mortals - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" > I don't like how wimpy this leaves mortals, so I tend to give important ones > up to three extra points in each area -- especially Will and Perception. > This leaves them with the Shakespeare-mandated quintessence of dust while > making them almost as strong as a six-force being. Shakespeare aside, I tend to do much the same thing with my mortal NPCs. Celestials - well, they're usually created beings, not born and raised conventionally. They're supernatural, and they have a lot of self-awareness of their own capabilities. It makes sense that more often than not they get their capabilities doled out in shrink-wrapped packages called Forces. For a Celestial, Forces are quantifiable, real(not abstract) and sensible units of powers. Mortals, on the other hand..well, not so much. I see them as "biologically" gaining characteristics - they can work out to increase their strength, no new bundles of spiritual energy or supernatural energy requires, for instance. So I don't see them necessarily, or even usually, have even multiples of 4 characteristic points in each category. So I usually plop down the normal 5 Forces, plus 0-9 extra characteristics points. It also makes variation between different 5 Force humans a little greater. Heretically, I also tend not to see humans as having distinct forces at least while they are still living and growing - saying "5 Force human" is like saying "Well, if he was a Celestial, he's likely have about 5 Forces... He'd fill up about that volume" as opposed to "See? 5 forces...1,2,3,4, and number 5 there, hiding behind 2 and 3." A. Wade Lahoda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:29:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Randy Finder Subject: RE: IN> Releiver Nicknames On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Wajenberg, Earl wrote: > Janet Anderson wrote: > > >> 1. "Teddies," "junior reporters," and "penny candy" are very recent > concepts (especially if you're an angel!). A nickname that's generally in > use in Heaven would probably be much older than any of these ideas. << > > Please feel free to come up with some older ones. But nicknames can take > root quickly. And Christopher became an Archangel at roughly the same time > as the teddy bear was introduced, I think -- 19th century, wasn't it? Teddy bears come our of a Political Cartoon about President Teddy Roosevelt and as such dates from the very early part of the 20th century (1903). Check out http://www.bearhollow.net/teddy_roosevelt.htm Besides, I'd think Teddies might be a shorthand name for Andre's imps. :) I think that Christopher's feelings toward Andre might be a good way to get a feeling for how bright vs. dark a campaign is... In a bright campaign, Christopher's Cherubs are trying to prevent Andre's Lilims from finding that most 16 year old boys "need" to lose their virginity. In a dark campaign, Christopher's Malakim are trying to destroy Andre's Calabim and Shedim who are running Child Porn/snuff rings... Randy - -- Leadership, Friendship and Service - Alpha Phi Omega ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:46:33 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Releiver Nicknames >> Janet Anderson wrote: >> >> >> 1. "Teddies," "junior reporters," and "penny candy" are very recent >> concepts (especially if you're an angel!). A nickname that's generally in >> use in Heaven would probably be much older than any of these ideas. << >> >> Please feel free to come up with some older ones. But nicknames can take >> root quickly. I tend to look at Heaven as Jean's larger lab. Thus, he can introduce whatever he wants into the general Heavenly populace, with the understanding that it only goes to earth if JEAN says so. Hence, there were a few Mercurians waiting to hand out teddy bears to the first children souls that came to Heaven. Course in those days they may have been teddy giant sloths... Josh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:43:13 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> Releiver Nicknames If Christopher became an Archangel in the early 19th century and teddy bears came out in 1903, then perhaps it's *his* relievers that are dubbed "toy soldiers," and might not mind it. Though, as I said, nicknames can take hold quickly. "Teddy" might have come in, recently. Might "teddy" be a good name for Zadkiel's relievers, since their classic emotional function is to give the kid a feeling of security? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:53:31 -0500 From: "Wajenberg, Earl" Subject: RE: IN> Releiver Nicknames Josh Moger wrote: "Hence, there were a few Mercurians waiting to hand out teddy bears to the first children souls that came to Heaven." That shows a pleasanter side to Jean than one usually sees, even if it WAS all couched in terms of "aids to psychological hygiene." "Course in those days they may have been teddy giant sloths..." Once you're sure one of those is on your side, and you get over the smell, it should make you feel quite secure... Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:26:08 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Releiver Nicknames >Josh Moger wrote: > >"Hence, there were a few Mercurians waiting to hand out teddy bears to the >first children souls that came to Heaven." > >That shows a pleasanter side to Jean than one usually sees, even if it WAS >all couched in terms of "aids to psychological hygiene." > >"Course in those days they may have been teddy giant sloths..." > >Once you're sure one of those is on your side, and you get over the smell, >it should make you feel quite secure... > >Earl Oh, I'm sure there are some very large, older Cherubim wandering, slowly, around Heaven. Josh ^_^' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:50:02 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Professional Courtesy (Episode 11) - --- sirea@softhome.net wrote: > > Oh dear. Ed as an angel. I'm never going to be able to > watch Cowboy Bebop with a straight face again. One of my players was quite fond of that anime. He played a Cherub of Lightning under Networks based on Ed. =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18." -- Albert Einstein

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Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18." -- Albert Einstein

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:54:10 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Mortals - --- Wade Lahoda wrote: > Heretically, I also tend not to see humans as > having distinct > forces at least while they are still living and growing - > saying "5 Force > human" is like saying "Well, if he was a Celestial, he's > likely have about 5 > Forces... He'd fill up about that volume" as opposed to > "See? 5 > forces...1,2,3,4, and number 5 there, hiding behind 2 and > 3." I assume you mean that from a flavor perspective and not mechanics? =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18." -- Albert Einstein

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 14:55:40 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> Releiver Nicknames - --- "Wajenberg, Earl" wrote: > "Course in those days they may have been teddy giant > sloths..." > > Once you're sure one of those is on your side, and you > get over the smell, > it should make you feel quite secure... Forget the sloths! Sehlats are the way to go! };> =====

Michael Walton, #US2002023848

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18." -- Albert Einstein

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:27:26 -0500 From: Rolland Therrien Subject: RE: IN> Releiver Nicknames >> 1. "Teddies," "junior reporters," and "penny candy" are very recent concepts (especially if you're an angel!). A nickname that's generally in use in Heaven would probably be much older than any of these ideas. << I'd call Relievers of Litheroy "Eyes", tasked with observing events and memorizing them. >> If I were a Servitor of War, reliever or not, I'd find "toy soldier" insulting. << How about "Rookies" or "Cadets", instead? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:44:31 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: Re: IN> Mortals Mortals are not actually so weak--remember, they use essence unconciously, and thus their skill roles are increased whenever they really need to acomplish something; granted, they don't have that much essence, but it can be expected that a mundane won't have to do more than one or two really important things throughout the course of a day. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rampaging Crypto-Man" To: Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 8:37 AM Subject: Re: IN> Mortals > Mortals have five forces because Hamlet said they have five forces. > > "What a piece of work is a man! how noble in reason! > how infinite in faculty! in form and moving how > express and admirable! in action how like an angel! > in apprehension how like a god! the beauty of the > world! the paragon of animals! And yet, to me, > what is this quintessence of dust? man delights not > me: no, nor woman neither, though by your smiling > you seem to say so." > > I don't like how wimpy this leaves mortals, so I tend to give important ones > up to three extra points in each area -- especially Will and Perception. > This leaves them with the Shakespeare-mandated quintessence of dust while > making them almost as strong as a six-force being. > > Ben > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:54:02 -0700 From: Brian Westcott Subject: IN> Dark Dominion, In Nomine books and C.O.B.R.A. Everyone, I was wondering if anyone on the list remembers reading a comic book series called Dark Dominion put out by Defiant Comics. If so, then you remember the protagonist was Michael Alexander, a man who could physically enter the Quantum Substratum and battle demons there as a glowing being of light. Now the question is: how would I be able to translate this into In Nomine terms? The Quantum Substratum could be the Ethereal realm, however, Michael Alexander would have the ability to enter The Marches physically. Is there a Song that would let you do that? Michael would also have some high Perception skills so he could see the Demons in their Celestial forms. Any help or feedback on this would be greatly appreciated as always. To learn more about Dark Dominion, you can go to this web site: http://www.geocities.com/jfkuczaj/dominion.htm I also wanted to let you know about which In Nomine books I have now. Here is the list: In Nomine Core Rules 2nd ed. Revelations I: Night Music Revelations II: The Marches Revelations III: Heaven and Hell Revelations IV: Fall of the Malakim Revelations V: The Final Trumpet Corporeal Player's Guide Superiors 1: War and Honor Gamemaster's Guide I am also ready to finally work on my C.O.B.R.A. project for In Nomine. Here is the idea I was thinking about: the Vorlons and the Shadows (you remember them from Babylon 5) are Ethereal spirits that were caught up in Uriel's Purity Crusade. So, the Vorlons and the Shadows conspire with other Ethereal spirits to get revenge on the angels and the demons for hurting them so badly. Through dreams, they inspire my character (based on myself, of course), to form C.O.B.R.A. as an army of Ethereal spirits, Dream Soldiers, Pagan Soldiers, Gray Soldiers, etc. The fun part is going to have my C.O.B.R.A. Commander character either as a Mortal with 6-8 Forces or have him as an Ethereal spirit since C.O.B.R.A. headquarters will be based in the Far Marches. But I still want to be able to have my character enter the Ethereal realm from the Corporeal realm physically and vice versa. Take care, everyone! Brian Westcott brian@brianrich.net Meridian, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:51:35 -0500 From: Michael Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Professional Courtesy (Episode 11) - --Boundary_(ID_U7NZjklpTbMbzTyA9qS0KQ) Content-type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-26E213CB; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT At 12:25 PM 11/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: >trupke@captainamericafans.com writes: >>>Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 21:28:59 -0500 >>>From: Archangel Beth >>>"Ed!" she chirped happily, though quietly enough. "It means witness!" >>Oh dear. Ed as an angel. I'm never going to be able to watch Cowboy Bebop >>with a straight face again. (Though that might explain her computer... it >>would have to be from Eli, rather than Jean, though. I can't see Lightning >>producing anything with that many smiley faces.) > >I always casted Ed as A Remnanted Ofanite of Lightning :D Well, not a Remnant, she's got way too much spirit for that. Maybe an Outcast Lightning Ofanite though; I could definitely see her disrupting Jean's operations enough to get the boot down to Earth for a while. I can already visualize him trying to suppress a nervous tick while she's bounding around the Lightning labs. *SEMI-SPOILER FOR COWBOY BEBOP* I figure she finally gets to go back to Heaven at the end of the series, with a Renegade imp of Technology tagging along for Redemption ;). Now if you'll excuse me... *tries to get the song "The Egg and I" out of his head now that this topic made it invade his mind* - --Boundary_(ID_U7NZjklpTbMbzTyA9qS0KQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-26E213CB Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 11/13/2002 - --Boundary_(ID_U7NZjklpTbMbzTyA9qS0KQ)-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:19:10 -0700 From: sirea@softhome.net Subject: IN> Cowboy Bebop, IN Style > Well, not a Remnant, she's got way too much spirit for that. Maybe an > Outcast Lightning Ofanite though; I could definitely see her disrupting > Jean's operations enough to get the boot down to Earth for a while. I can > already visualize him trying to suppress a nervous tick while she's > bounding around the Lightning labs. *SEMI-SPOILER FOR COWBOY BEBOP* I > figure she finally gets to go back to Heaven at the end of the series, > with a Renegade imp of Technology tagging along for Redemption ;). Now if > you'll excuse me... *tries to get the song "The Egg and I" out of his head > now that this topic made it invade his mind* How do you see the rest of them? This is how I view the Bebop cast IN-ized *LOTSA SPOILERS, OBVIOUSLY* Spike -- A Renegade Djinn of the Game Jet -- An "Outcast" Cherub of Judgment Faye -- An unknowing Hellsworn with a Lilim Force tacked on by Vapulans Ed -- Remnant Ofanite of Lightning Ein -- Vessel-Bound Seraph of Lightning Viscious -- Balseraph Baron of the Game Julia -- UnFated/Destined Soldier of the Game My rationale for all this? (man, maybe I should do a IN CB Heresy or something) Spike was a Djinn of the Game all his life, until he met Julia. He fell in love, and started to slide into Cherub mode. Before the both of them could go Renegade from the Game, Viscious, Spikes friend, caught Julia and Balresonated her like nuts. Spike got away, but without an attunement on Julia. Viscious became a Baron as a result. Jet is a Cherub (who in CelForm looks like a large black dog... Spike looks like a giant tiger-striped cat), who became unsure of his place in Judgment's ranks, and by promising to keep in contact with Judgment on a regular basis and doing it's work still, went on leave from Dominic to do as he pleases, posing as a Outcast to attract the right kind of company (Spike in this case. The two of them catch Renegades and Outcasts). Ed was an Ofanite of Lightning who helped with Jean's hypergate project Unfortunately, some Vapulans managed to mess with it, and it exploded, resulting in the earth catastrophe. Jean nearly Fell from the experience, and is still recovering. Ed was Remnated from the massive amounts of soul damage she suffered, and wanders as a genius child on the ruined earth. Faye was a normal human who got caught by Vapulans, got a Lilim Force slapped on her, and then was frozen for a long time. (I need to revise this. I missed the few episodes near the end where she discovers her past). Ein... well, Ein was a Seraph of Lightning. He made the big mistake of saying to Jordi's face that "animals, even compared to humans, are amazingly stupid creatures". So he got vessel-bound to the vessel of a Welsh Corgi, and got tossed to some Vapulans... For how the series ended? Well, I rationalized that when Julia died, she had not et met her Destiny or Fate. She didn't reincarnate though... she disbanded. Spike had lost her forever. When he fought Viscious, he went celestial (obviously didn't happen, but work with me here :D) and soul killed him. Unfortunately... he was soul-killed also, and Remnated. He walked down the steps, his only vessel died, and he faded back into the Symphony forever. What do you think? --- Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:24:34 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Professional Courtesy (Episode 11) From: > > I always casted Ed as A Remnanted Ofanite of Lightning :D Ein definitely would have the Seraph of Lightning attunement, now that I think of it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:30:26 -0500 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Releiver Nicknames Randy Finder said unto us: > In a bright campaign, Christopher's Cherubs are trying to prevent Andre's > Lilims from finding that most 16 year old boys "need" to lose their > virginity. > > In a dark campaign, Christopher's Malakim are trying to destroy Andre's > Calabim and Shedim who are running Child Porn/snuff rings... Oh those settings would work in either campaign. The only difference is that in a darker campaign (Or the one I am in), said Lilim would quickly learn that targeting boys like that would get them soul killed over a very long period of time. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:44:42 -0800 From: "Joey's mail" Subject: IN> Dogma In Nomine Style Very good, but now here's for my take on the Kevin Smith movie Dogma, In Nomine style... Loki--Outcast Malakite of Judgement--He lost his Fiery Sword relic long ago, unfortunately. Other notable additions are Numinous Corpus: Wings. He is also highly dissonant, as his sense of honor has been almost completely warped. Bardlebee--Outcast Mercurian of Judgement--I know he's a Grigori in the movie, but going by IN, he'd have been in heaven far too long (up until Egypt, I think), plus you can see him using his resonance in the movie (the bus scene, with the adulters). Later on in the movie, he gives into his dissonance and develops several Etherial Dischords, including Angry, Murderous, and Overzealous. Serendepity--Outcast Elohite of Creation--She left heaven on her own voalition. She has a high dancing skill, and her vessel has good charisma, but those are her only real noteworthy qualities... Bethany--Human Soldier of the Sword (or something...)--She has a special attunement, The Last Sion (SP) that grants her various abilities, most noteworthy consecrating. The other attunements are unknown. Jay and Silent Bob--Soldiers of Revelations--They're both prophits. They probably don't even know they're soldiers... Azrael--Impudite of the Game--Nearly Renegade, he packs a corporeal artifact (uzi), numinous corpus: horns, and three servants (hockey punks.) However, he has a great knowledge of how rules work... > *LOTSA SPOILERS, OBVIOUSLY* > > Spike -- A Renegade Djinn of the Game > > Jet -- An "Outcast" Cherub of Judgment > > Faye -- An unknowing Hellsworn with a Lilim Force tacked on by Vapulans > > Ed -- Remnant Ofanite of Lightning > > Ein -- Vessel-Bound Seraph of Lightning > > Viscious -- Balseraph Baron of the Game > > Julia -- UnFated/Destined Soldier of the Game > > My rationale for all this? (man, maybe I should do a IN CB Heresy or > something) Spike was a Djinn of the Game all his life, until he met Julia. > He fell in love, and started to slide into Cherub mode. Before the both of > them could go Renegade from the Game, Viscious, Spikes friend, caught Julia > and Balresonated her like nuts. Spike got away, but without an attunement on > Julia. Viscious became a Baron as a result. > > Jet is a Cherub (who in CelForm looks like a large black dog... Spike looks > like a giant tiger-striped cat), who became unsure of his place in > Judgment's ranks, and by promising to keep in contact with Judgment on a > regular basis and doing it's work still, went on leave from Dominic to do as > he pleases, posing as a Outcast to attract the right kind of company (Spike > in this case. The two of them catch Renegades and Outcasts). > > Ed was an Ofanite of Lightning who helped with Jean's hypergate project > Unfortunately, some Vapulans managed to mess with it, and it exploded, > resulting in the earth catastrophe. Jean nearly Fell from the experience, > and is still recovering. Ed was Remnated from the massive amounts of soul > damage she suffered, and wanders as a genius child on the ruined earth. > > Faye was a normal human who got caught by Vapulans, got a Lilim Force > slapped on her, and then was frozen for a long time. (I need to revise this. > I missed the few episodes near the end where she discovers her past). > > Ein... well, Ein was a Seraph of Lightning. He made the big mistake of > saying to Jordi's face that "animals, even compared to humans, are amazingly > stupid creatures". So he got vessel-bound to the vessel of a Welsh Corgi, > and got tossed to some Vapulans... > > For how the series ended? Well, I rationalized that when Julia died, she had > not et met her Destiny or Fate. She didn't reincarnate though... she > disbanded. Spike had lost her forever. When he fought Viscious, he went > celestial (obviously didn't happen, but work with me here :D) and soul > killed him. Unfortunately... he was soul-killed also, and Remnated. He > walked down the steps, his only vessel died, and he faded back into the > Symphony forever. > > What do you think? > > --- > Sirea, Free Cherub IST Destiny, Angel who Wanders, petitioner for the Word > of Eternity (currently being ridden by Grapejuice, Renegade Shedite of the > Game, and petitioner for the Word of Pranking Tightwads) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:06:18 +0000 From: "Jarrod Carmichael" Subject: Re: IN> Some quick thoughts on unarmed combat >Finally. I was wondering where the nuanced parts of martial arts where in >IN. I found it a little bare-boned to just have Fighting as a catch all, >and having it based on Strength. It should be Agility or Percision. Thanks. No it shouldn't. I have been in more than one or two fights. being quick gives you advantages, but strength will win everytime unless your opponent is very skilled. When I was playing football I could bench about 240lbs. And I got into a few fights. Weak people get mashed in a fight. For the record I didn't start any of them, a few were coming to the aid of someone getting beaten up, others when someone hit first. Kinda servitor of Stone like in a way. Mallakai JC _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 02:11:01 +0000 From: "Jarrod Carmichael" Subject: RE: IN> Releiver Nicknames 1978, if im correct. (Good memory, books in storage) Gm guide, in the timeline. >If Christopher became an Archangel in the early 19th century and teddy >bears >came out in 1903, then perhaps it's *his* relievers that are dubbed "toy >soldiers," and might not mind it. > >Though, as I said, nicknames can take hold quickly. "Teddy" might have >come >in, recently. > >Might "teddy" be a good name for Zadkiel's relievers, since their classic >emotional function is to give the kid a feeling of security? > >Earl _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:37:28 -0800 From: Harukami Subject: Re: IN> Some quick thoughts on unarmed combat >>Finally. I was wondering where the nuanced parts of martial arts where in >>IN. I found it a little bare-boned to just have Fighting as a catch all, >>and having it based on Strength. It should be Agility or Percision. Thanks. > >No it shouldn't. I have been in more than one or two fights. being quick >gives you advantages, but strength will win everytime unless your opponent >is very skilled. When I was playing football I could bench about 240lbs. And >I got into a few fights. Weak people get mashed in a fight. Have to argue at that personally; I'm a 5'1", 110 lb girl who's taken out 6'3", 200 lb black belts before at her karate club simply because she's fast and can kick *really* high (flexibility also falls under agility). Many martial arts aren't based on your strength; they're based on using your agility to turn your opponant's strength against him. I've flipped a 240 guy before, and though it looked to observers as if I was bearing his whole weight, I couldn't feel a thing. I know *I* was amazed at that feeling, of carrying somebody and simply not feeling it, because it wasn't my strength doing the task, just knowing where to place my body. I know if it comes up, I'll make it home rules to have it be 'higher of Agility or Strength'. Harukami - ---- http://haru_in.tripod.com/ Haru's IN page: Game logs, art, and fiction. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:57:17 -0600 From: "Wade Lahoda" Subject: Re: IN> Releiver Nicknames - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wajenberg, Earl" > If Christopher became an Archangel in the early 19th century and teddy bears > came out in 1903, then perhaps it's *his* relievers that are dubbed "toy > soldiers," and might not mind it. I like "toy soldiers" for Chistopher's relievers, especially if you say it right. Where as for Michael's people, it'd be a derogative toy *soldiers*(toy being a descriptive add-on to soldiers), for Christopher it'd be *toy* soldiers(with soldiers being a descriptive add-on to toy). Anyone else get what I mean by that? =) A. Wade Lahoda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:00:08 -0600 From: "Wade Lahoda" Subject: Re: IN> Mortals - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Walton" > --- Wade Lahoda wrote: > > Heretically, I also tend not to see humans as > > having distinct > > forces at least while they are still living and growing - > > saying "5 Force > > human" is like saying "Well, if he was a Celestial, he's > > likely have about 5 > > Forces... He'd fill up about that volume" as opposed to > > "See? 5 > > forces...1,2,3,4, and number 5 there, hiding behind 2 and > > 3." > > I assume you mean that from a flavor perspective and not mechanics? Indeed. =) I've always found it odd wheras in In Nomine, the game mechanics(forces) are also distinct units In Game(it'd be like in D&D where you could measure what your level is, as opposed to just knowing that you're a rank novice or a damn good sonnova...). It makes some sense for Celestials, but for mortals...not so much. I still use Forces for them mechanically, but I don't percieve them as being distinct collections of forces- which, as I know, is heretical. A. Wade Lahoda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:19:45 -0500 From: "Josh Moger" Subject: Re: IN> Dogma In Nomine Style Azrael--Impudite of the Game--Nearly Renegade, he packs a corporeal artifact (uzi), numinous corpus: horns, and three servants (hockey punks.) However, he has a great knowledge of how rules work... Nah, I'd say a definite Renegade Balseraph. Managed to convince Loki and Bartelby, and he killed the bartender. As for the horns- the way he relaxed when they jutted from his head makes them look like Discord he'd earned by smashing his Heart, which would explain how he wasn't found by Asmodeus. As for the hockey punks, I'd guess Djinn from the way they track, and seem to look pathetically apathetic. Josh ^_^' ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2865 ********************************