============ OGREverse list, July 29th (Last: July 18th) ============= ===== Gimmie the nukes. From: "Todd A. Zircher" From: largecardriver5@webtv.net (e.w.markle Unknown) ===== OGRE bloodlines From: Servitor@aol.com ===== Fun with CRT's From: bryan rombough From: Patrick Odonnell ===== Interested fan From: Michael Ryle ------------------------------ From: "Todd A. Zircher" Subject: Gimmie the nukes. > Bombs of ALL sorts are meant to make an environment... any > environment... hostile and undesirable. I think that > researchers are going to be looking long and hard for an > *Environmentally Friendly* bomb of any kind. It defies the > very nature of the devices in question. To look at it from a cost perspective, 'Environmentally Friendly' weapons would be cheaper to clean up after the war. Nuclear: Less fallout and radiation with increases in thermal and electro-magnetic yield. [Nuclear shaped charges?] Generally, reduced yields in exchange for pin point attacks. Given the low level of colateral damage in the OGREverse, this is probably a reality. Conventional: Mines, time delayed cluster munitions, and biological weapons are out. Directed energy weapons and rail guns are in. [Assume that depleted uranium penetrators are phased out in exchange for BPC rods.] -- TAZ ----- [BPC would be a horrible replacement for DU. DU is used as a kinetic weapon because it is very dense and BPC is used as armor because it is very undense. -HJC] ----- From: largecardriver5@webtv.net (e.w.markle Unknown) Subject: Gimmie the nukes. The bomb thing is a thought about who would be left. After making Europe glow in the dark who'd want it? Ed ----- [At least they wouldn't interfere with the Latin American banana market anymore, t'cha? -HJC] ------------------------------ From: Servitor@aol.com Subject: OGRE bloodlines << Uh, the Fencer I got don't look nothing like that, but at least the US Army has adopted your design... >> Actually, I prefer Winchell's design. After all, the Paneuropeans got most of their Ogre technology from the Combine after they overran England. The Fencer may have been the Pansies (sorry) first "original" Ogre, but it certainly would have been steeply based on Combine hull design simply because they wouldn't have had the time to innovate much. Winchell's MK VI Ogre is exactly as I have imagined the beast (not much of a reach since it has been specifically stated that the MK VI was simply a massive upgrade of the MK V chassis). The record sheets are a VERY nice touch. Hmmm. It would be great if Mr. Chung and Mr. Jackson could get together before the next publication of OGRE (whenever that might be) to collaborate on things like those great record sheets for ALL the "official" Ogres. What can I say? Although I love Dennis Loubet's rendition of Ogres and the armor and infantry of the Ogre universe, I've always thought of Winchell's artwork foremost when considering OGRE. Let's face it, he IS "the guy who drew the Ogre." Speaking of Dennis, I would love to see BOTH of their artworks in the next publication of OGRE. best, flunky ----- [The Lancer was almost finished before Britain fell, but it does show a strong influence from another American design, the USS Monitor. -HJC] ------------------------------ From: bryan rombough Subject: Fun with CRT's Henry J. Cobb wrote: > [Wouldn't that(d8 CRT) shift the game balance in favor of lower-odds attacks? > (Which are already more efficent than the big guns anyway...) -HJC] yeah, I was just fiddling around, not being serious. On the other hand, here's a d4 CRT: COMBAT ODDS ROLL 1-2 1-1 2-1 3-1 1 NE NE D D 2 NE D D X 3 NE D X XX 4 D X XX XX Bryan ----- From: Patrick Odonnell Subject: Fun with CRT's > ----------------------- > d8 Combat Results Table > ----------------------- > > [Wouldn't that shift the game balance in favor of lower-odds attacks? > (Which are already more efficent than the big guns anyway...) -HJC] > Sure it would, but then why not? I mean, ... the natural law of decreasing returns and all that, right? Not to mention that according to some military thinkers just having a capability is vastly more important than how much of it you have. D8 CRT might not be for everybody but it is still *OGRE* (or should I say "Cricket?"). PJ ----- [The change I'd consider, if the entire game was computerized, would be to shift everything from a single attack value vs defense value to a sensor vs evasion roll followed by a tracking vs agility and penetration vs armor and then damage vs mass. It would remove the special rules for AP targets. It's just that most targets have too much armor for the AP guns to penetrate. -HJC] ------------------------------ From: Michael Ryle Subject: Interested fan Dear Henry, I am a interested fan of the Ogre/GEV games. I was introduced a few years ago to the board game by my friend Zac. I have never played with the mini. version. When I moved to Georgia last year I lost touch and have been craving for a game ever since. I'm interested in knowing more about the computer game for Mac. Also, is the GEV version in re-print? How could I get my hands on a copy? 3-D gaming sounds like fun but, is a little bit pricey, not to mention time consuming when you paint them. Interested in your mailings and other info. Michael Ryle mryle72@earthlink.net 706-613-6987 ----- [According to the www.sjgames.com, only the OGRE minis book is currently in print. -HJC] Henry J. Cobb ogre@sjgames.com http://www.io.com/~hcobb All OGRE-related items Copyright (c) 1999, by Steve Jackson Games.